from a Muslims POV

maybe in your eyes it is but I made since I thought it would be intresting to get a Muslims point of view on all of this.
 
The muslim is a ghost. I'd more than appreciate his posting here. Being called prejudiced, second hand, has no merit.
 
freako104 said:
while this is true gato, we havent actually had any Muslims talk about their own Point of View. and some people on here seem to think they know it all about Islam. That is why I asked him and posted his and my convo on here. Becuase I think we should hear from a Muslim rather than people who arent.
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Problem is, he hasn't posted. You put up a conversation, but he hasn't said a thing. :shrug: Perhaps his is the mind that is made up. ;)
 
PuterTutor said:
Yep, sounds about right.
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So, sometimes a headache is simply a headache?

paul_valaru said:
ancient zen riddle, what is the sound of no-one laughing?
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Contemporary Muslim riddle: what is the sound of a Canadian supporting Sharia law?

"And hold fast, All together, by the rope which God (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude God's favour on you; For ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His grace, Ye became brethren; And ye were on the brink of the pit of fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth God make His signs clear to you: that ye may be guided." Qur'an 3:103

"Because our cultural identity has been well defined for thousands of years, we cannot bear a migratory wave of people who have nothing to do with us … who are not ready to become like us, to be absorbed by us … who, on the contrary, aim to absorb us. To change our principles, our values, our identity, our way of life. And who in the meantime molest us with their retrograde ignorance, their retrograde bigotry, their retrograde religion. I am saying that in our culture there is no room for the muezzins, for the minarets, for the phony abstemious, for the humiliating chador, for the degrading burkah."

"It is a war of religion," she writes. "A war they call Jihad. If we do not defend ourselves, if we do not fight, the Jihad will win. … It will cancel our culture, our art, our science, our identity, our morals, our values, our pleasures. … Europe is no longer Europe. It is a province of Islam. … It hosts almost 16 million Muslim immigrants and teems with mullahs, imams, mosques, burqas, chadors. It lodges thousands of Islamic terrorists whom governments don't know how to identify and control."
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From Oriana Fallaci's The Rage and the Pride
 
Why would she look there? TOO never flew airplanes into buildings crying Allahu Akbar. He also never sat silently, to my knowledge, as children were brutally murdered on their first day of school.
 
*think the word "violent" should be injected somewhere in the coversaion"

I am little extreme in some of my own beliefs, but I don't do/provote violence
with my views. (towards other. Others may want to take my head off???)
 
BeardofPants said:
Well, I dunno gonz, you don't have to suicide bomb someone, or kamikazi someone to be a fucking extremist loon. :rolleyes:
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When the discussion stems from the acts of and the silence from extremists and/or their Mosque mates it certainly plays a vital role.
 
BeardofPants said:
Christ, who's the fucking extremist here? :hmm:

*BoP pointedly looks at The Other One
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More extreme than this?

"These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!

"If you fail to respond to all these conditions, then prepare for fight with the Islamic Nation. The Nation of Monotheism, that puts complete trust on Allah and fears none other than Him. The Nation which is addressed by its Quran with the words: "Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him if you are believers. Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of believing people. And remove the anger of their (believers') hearts. Allah accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise." [Quran9:13-1]

"The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.
The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Islam is the religion of all the prophets, and makes no distinction between them - peace be upon them all."
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Islam is a religion born out of blood, conflict, conquest, and war, and in their holy text it clearly calls for the killing of infadels and jihad against non muslims.


http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
 
I don't know why I'm bothering, but.... Did you ever look up exactly what jihad means?

Jihad is not necessarily equated with holy wars, and can refer to one's inner struggle with spirituality.

To judge the whole by a few extremists is just silly. And of course, if you wanna talk about bloody beginnings, why don't we talk about christianity?
 
Jihad is internal. And Xtianity doesnt have the clean hands you want it to. It also calls for killing witches and such.
 
Talk about Christianity? OK. you start. :swing:

When muslims say "jihad against non muslims", I don't think they are talking
about an inner struggle. :rolleyes:

Sure Jihad "can" be used to express the inner struggle, but you have to
take into account the context in which the word is used.
 
freako104 said:
Jihad is internal. And Xtianity doesnt have the clean hands you want it to. It also calls for killing witches and such.
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Where?, Where does it call for killing witches?
 
It is somewhere in the Bible.



And you might want to look up the actual word Jihad. Or are you going to go by what the media and shit has been saying? It comes out to being the struggle within to do good.




you want me to start?


The Romans fed Christians to the lions. They were repressed. Once the middle ages started it was the Church doing the repressing. Anyone who disagreed at all was killed. Spanish Inquisition, and Crusuades. Plus many Christians in current day have killed abortion doctors and blown up abortion clincs not caring who if anyone was in it. Not to mention that Catholics supported the Holocaust.
 
Also I'm not sure if it is the same with the Muslim faith, but like in Christianity,
there are differences say like between, Methodist, and Baptist...
 
umm yea.


ok here is what I learned


Muhhamed himself was the prophet. He had followers. One was an assassin. The ones who followed this man are the extremists who are killing.


There was one who followed Muhhamed and was peaceful. The assassin killed him. The ones who follow him are less violent and they are at war with the followers of the assassin.


Most tho follow Muhhamed himself and his beliefs.
 
freako104 said:
It is somewhere in the Bible.



And you might want to look up the actual word Jihad. Or are you going to go by what the media and shit has been saying? It comes out to being the struggle within to do good.




you want me to start?


The Romans fed Christians to the lions. They were repressed. Once the middle ages started it was the Church doing the repressing. Anyone who disagreed at all was killed. Spanish Inquisition, and Crusuades. Plus many Christians in current day have killed abortion doctors and blown up abortion clincs not caring who if anyone was in it. Not to mention that Catholics supported the Holocaust.
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I have looked up the word Jihad, and I know what it says.
Most words usually have more than one meaning, don't they?

"Plus many Christians in current day have killed abortion doctors and blown up abortion clincs not caring who if anyone was in it. "

How many was that now?

It seems my idea of "many" is different than yours.
 
Id have to look up the stats. And not all would be in newspapers.



They can. Its more into interpertation but if you want what the actual one is that is mostly accepted then it is internal
 
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