Health Care

[chcr]

What is broken in our healthcare system?

You need a doctor, you go, get fixed & leave.

With twenty years of debt as a door prize. Yep, works just fine.

 

[catocom]

What is broken in our healthcare system?

You need a doctor, you go, get fixed & leave.

then you pay, or get help paying

 

[Gonz]

With twenty years of debt as a door prize. Yep, works just fine.

So, instead, you suggest...

dumbing down our system (why become a doctor if you're not going to get reimbursed for your time & work)?

making everyone responsible for your debt?

You are not suggetsing a brokem healthcare system. You are suggesting financial restraint on a working system, which will break the working system.

 

[catocom]

I'd like to try to address the death panel debate.

There were 2 versions. One mandated, and one choice.

people wanting to spin which one belonged to whom...

Most all the mandating, and gov. expansion is my problem with what I've seen, mainly so far.

 

[Cerise]

AP: Even if bill is signed this fall, uninsured won't get coverage until 2013

WASHINGTON - President Lyndon Johnson signed the Medicare law on July 30, 1965, and 11 months later seniors were receiving coverage. But if President Barack Obama gets to sign a health care overhaul this fall, the uninsured won't be covered until 2013 — after the next presidential election.

In fact, a timeline of the 1,000-page health care bill crafted by House Democrats shows it would take the better part of a decade — from 2010-2018 — to get all the components of the far-reaching proposal up and running.

First comes the pain. In 2011, the government would start collecting higher taxes on upper-income people to pay for the overhaul. The uninsured would have to wait until 2013 before they started receiving the benefits — after the 2010 and 2012 elections.

Collecting the taxes up front — and paying for the benefits later — would help to keep costs manageable over the 10-year window Congress uses for budget estimates. Still, it's not yet adding up. The Congressional Budget Office says the plan would increase the government's deficit by about $240 billion over that period. Long-range forecasts could turn out worse.

One thing isn't in dispute — the role of the federal government would increase each year.

The timeline, prepared by Democratic staff members, reflects the proposed expansion of government responsibilities. Here's a look at how some of the parts would unfold:

 

[BeardofPants]

You have some of the most expensive healthcare in the developed world. If it was first-class, you might be able to justify it, however, the states falls 37th out of 191 worldwide in the WHO ranking.

http://www.washington.edu/alumni/columns/dec07/content/view/79/1/1/5/

 

[Gato_Solo]

You have some of the most expensive healthcare in the developed world. If it was first-class, you might be able to justify it, however, the states falls 37th out of 191 worldwide in the WHO ranking.

http://www.washington.edu/alumni/columns/dec07/content/view/79/1/1/5/

Hmmm...I'll take that with the proverbial grain of salt because this is the same WHO that falsified data on second-hand smoking.

 

[Cerise]

54% Say Passing No Healthcare Reform Better Than Passing Congressional Plan

Thirty-five percent (35%) of American voters say passage of the bill currently working its way through Congress would be better than not passing any health care reform legislation this year. However, a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that most voters (54%) say no health care reform passed by Congress this year would be the better option.

 

[Gonz]

Combine the first 36 & maybe you'll get the population of California

 

[BeardofPants]

Population sizes vary across the board, actually.

1. France 64,057,792
2. Italy 58,145,320
3. San Marino 29,973
4. Andorra 83,888
5. Malta 403,532
6. Singapore 4,608,167
7. Spain 40,491,052
8. Oman 3,204,897
9. Austria 8,205,533
10. Japan 127,288,416
11. Norway 4,644,457
12. Portugal 10,676,910
13. Monaco 32,796
14. Greece 10,722,816
15. Iceland 304,367
16. Luxembourg 486,006
17. Netherlands 16,645,313
18. United Kingdom 60,943,912
19. Ireland 4,156,119
20. Switzerland 7,581,520
21. Belgium 10,403,951
22. Colombia 45,013,672
23. Sweden 9,045,389
24. Cyprus 792,604
25. Germany 82,369,552
26. Saudi Arabia 27,601,038
27. United Arab Emirates 4,798,491
28. Israel 7,233,701
29. Morocco 34,859,364
30. Canada 33,212,696
31. Finland 5,244,749
32. Australia 21,007,310
33. Chile 16,454,143
34. Denmark 5,484,723
35. Dominica 72,660
36. Costa Rica 4,195,914
37. United States 304,059,724 (California: 36,756,666)

 

[spike]

So, instead, you suggest...

dumbing down our system (why become a doctor if you're not going to get reimbursed for your time & work)?

Doctors in countries with the leading healthcare systems actually do get payed for their time.

 

[Cerise]

Population sizes vary across the board, actually.

Who would come out on top with the best "care" if you lined up all the countries w/socialized meds?

 

[Gonz]

Doctors in countries with the leading healthcare systems actually do get payed for their time.

How much, in relation to their education?

 

[BeardofPants]

Who would come out on top with the best "care" if you lined up all the countries w/socialized meds?

Prolly be across the board again. Some good socialised care, some bad.

 

[spike]

Who would come out on top with the best "care" if you lined up all the countries w/socialized meds?

http://www.washington.edu/alumni/columns/dec07/content/view/79/1/1/5/

 

[spike]

How much, in relation to their education?

I dunno. Look it up.

From what I've seen they do pretty well.

 

[randomJACKASS]

Pretty amazing that Singapore is so much better than us.

 

[chcr]

So, instead, you suggest...

Change. When something doesn't work you change it, unless you're a moron.

Or I guess you could leave it alone until it fails completely all the while whining about imaginary commies. I suppose that might work.

The next step after failure, of course, is then whining about the government not having done anything to prevent it. Yeah, I'm sure that works for most of you.

 

[spike]

Population sizes vary across the board, actually.

Nice list. I don't know why I assumed it the other way but there's more people from France than from the UK. I love getting rid of preconceived notions.

 

[catocom]

Change. When something doesn't work you change it, unless you're a moron.

Or I guess you could leave it alone until it fails completely all the while whining about imaginary commies. I suppose that might work.

The next step after failure, of course, is then whining about the government not having done anything to prevent it. Yeah, I'm sure that works for most of you.

change doesn't = fix
it needs to be fixed, not replaced