How Far is Too Far? Are we close to a revolutionary war?

PuterTutor said:
unclehobart said:
To me its just not martial law until the local police authorities have been shoved aside and they start declaring curfews and setting up random roadblocks.
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That's the way I see it too, they are not doing that, they are simply providing more manpower than the local authorities can provide by themselves.
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They are too doing it.

The ATF stopping all inbound and outbound traffic and searching random "white vans".
 
Coffee Bean said:
PuterTutor said:
unclehobart said:
To me its just not martial law until the local police authorities have been shoved aside and they start declaring curfews and setting up random roadblocks.
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That's the way I see it too, they are not doing that, they are simply providing more manpower than the local authorities can provide by themselves.
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They are too doing it.

The ATF stopping all inbound and outbound traffic and searching random "white vans".
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Good for them, what are you going to tell me they are racially profiling vans now? I don't see the problem here people.
 
Most people don't see the problem. They're happy driving their SUV to their office job and eating McDonalds.

If you can't even see that your rights are on the very verge of being ripped from you, I feel for you.
 
While our constitution contains no express provision for "emergency" or "crisis" situations, such a provision is not necessary. The U.S. Supreme Court made clear in Ex Parte Milligan, following the Civil War, that "the government, within the Constitution, has all the powers granted to it which are necessary to preserve its existence." Or as one commentator has added, "self-preservation is the first law of any nation."

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20020607.html
 
I'll tell you what, if they arrest someone besides the killer for something they have in their white van, then I'll start to worry. IF those charges stick, and don't get thrown out for illegal search and seizure, then I'll really worry. But until then, I back my government, and the choices they make.
 
unclehobart said:
While our constitution contains no express provision for "emergency" or "crisis" situations, such a provision is not necessary. The U.S. Supreme Court made clear in Ex Parte Milligan, following the Civil War, that "the government, within the Constitution, has all the powers granted to it which are necessary to preserve its existence." Or as one commentator has added, "self-preservation is the first law of any nation."

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20020607.html
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Show me how a serial killer is a direct and immediate threat to the government.
 
Coffee Bean said:
unclehobart said:
While our constitution contains no express provision for "emergency" or "crisis" situations, such a provision is not necessary. The U.S. Supreme Court made clear in Ex Parte Milligan, following the Civil War, that "the government, within the Constitution, has all the powers granted to it which are necessary to preserve its existence." Or as one commentator has added, "self-preservation is the first law of any nation."

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20020607.html
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Show me how a serial killer is a direct and immediate threat to the government.
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HELLO? do you even have a clue as to where these shootings are taking place?
 
To me, a sniper is no reason for military intervention. I was just pointing out the abilities of the government to do what it damn well feels like. I was just retorting Mitch and backing up LL on a side point.
 
My point was that they are in the suburbs of Washington DC. Could that not be seen as a threat to our Government?

In normal situations, it shouldn't be necessary, Unc, but in this situation, I believe it is, it will allow us to catch him, hopefully before he kills again.
 
Civil Liberties were massively eroded during the Great Depression. Social Security numbers might as well be a barcode on your forehead. This country... all countries see fit to give up rights in small bunches each and every time the going gets a little rough or people start fearing whatever the media dangles in front of their eyes.
 
There were many checkpoints on NYC roadways after 9/11, would you consider that infringing on our civil liberties also? Just curious.

Btw, I'm with PT on this one. You may see it as another step towards Big Brother but I'm relieved that they are getting help to catch this guy.
 
I stand behind Ben Franklin's quote. We should guard our civil liberties with great jealousy. Even to the point of being considered a "wacko". There's too much at stake(steak?) hell...
 
I believe that America will become a third world country. Mexico will have all the industries that made America great and anything else will come from China.

We need new leadership. Bush wants war but the Democrats are no better. America needs a real leader that will look out for America not only for security but for the economy as a top priority.

I hope Hillary Clinton doesn't run for anything important because she is a bitch and a loser.
 
Thanks gf :)

I just think that in certain situations, civil liberties have to take a back seat to justice. I'm not saying I wouldn't be pissed if the cops came into my house and searched for no apparent reason other than a fishing expedition, but if I'm driving a white van that matched the description of this killers van, I wouldn't have a problem with pulling over and letting them have a look. I consider it part of my duty as a citizen of this country. It's a far cry from giving up my civil rights.
 
Coffee Bean said:
PuterTutor said:
unclehobart said:
To me its just not martial law until the local police authorities have been shoved aside and they start declaring curfews and setting up random roadblocks.
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That's the way I see it too, they are not doing that, they are simply providing more manpower than the local authorities can provide by themselves.
Click to expand...

They are too doing it.

The ATF stopping all inbound and outbound traffic and searching random "white vans".
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The ATF ain't the military, so it isn't martial law. You have just enough knowledge to be dangerous, but not enough to affect change.

Freedom, and the associated rights that go with freedom, also has corresponding responsibilities. If you don't vote, then you already gave up half of what you say you lost. If you're too young to vote, then why are you even complaining? You'll get your chance. ;)
 
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