I hope everyone enjoys their healthcare in the stimulus package

jimpeel

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Even though everyone here can go out to the link that is given, and research the pages that have been referenced, there are still those who, in the face of the facts presented, will say this is just an opinion piece.

So what's your opinion of what the legislation says on those pages?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey

Commentary by Betsy McCaughey

Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.

Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

New Penalties

Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)

What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.

The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.

Hidden Provisions

If the Obama administration’s economic stimulus bill passes the Senate in its current form, seniors in the U.S. will face similar rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later.

The stimulus bill will affect every part of health care, from medical and nursing education, to how patients are treated and how much hospitals get paid. The bill allocates more funding for this bureaucracy than for the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force combined (90-92, 174-177, 181).

Hiding health legislation in a stimulus bill is intentional. Daschle supported the Clinton administration’s health-care overhaul in 1994, and attributed its failure to debate and delay. A year ago, Daschle wrote that the next president should act quickly before critics mount an opposition. “If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it,” he said. “The issue is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol.”

More Scrutiny Needed

On Friday, President Obama called it “inexcusable and irresponsible” for senators to delay passing the stimulus bill. In truth, this bill needs more scrutiny.

The health-care industry is the largest employer in the U.S. It produces almost 17 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product. Yet the bill treats health care the way European governments do: as a cost problem instead of a growth industry. Imagine limiting growth and innovation in the electronics or auto industry during this downturn. This stimulus is dangerous to your health and the economy.

(Betsy McCaughey is former lieutenant governor of New York and is an adjunct senior fellow at the Hudson Institute. The opinions expressed are her own.)

To contact the writer of this column: Betsy McCaughey at [email protected]
Last Updated: February 9, 2009 00:01 EST
 
Definitely a lot of opinion there. You never really get tired of posting other people'sopinions huh?
 
part one: bullshit.

curious that little miss muffett didn't choose the most recent version of the act to critique. i didn't check between versions, because there is a limit to the amount of time i'm going to expend discussing this opinion-driven and ideologically biased drivel, but hey, it's still a neat-o curiosity.

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by Senate)
office of the national coordinator for health information technology

(including transfer of funds)
For an additional amount for `Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology', $3,000,000,000, to carry out title XIII of this Act which shall be available until expended: Provided, That of this amount, the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall transfer $20,000,000 to the Director of the National Institute of Standards and Technology in the Department of Commerce for continued work on advancing health care information enterprise integration through activities such as technical standards analysis and establishment of conformance testing infrastructure so long as such activities are coordinated with the Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology: Provided further, That funds available under this heading shall become available for obligation only upon submission of an annual operating plan by the Secretary to the Committees on Appropriations of the House of Representatives and the Senate: Provided further, That the Secretary shall provide to the Committees on Appropriations of the House of Representatives and the Senate a report on the actual obligations, expenditures, and unobligated balances for each major set of activities not later than November 1, 2009 and every 6 months thereafter as long as funding under this heading is available for obligation or expenditure.


And this means that...
"But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.” Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far."

no, it doesn't miss dumbass. it means that they are using standard/conformed INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY shit, and yes, that's fucking important for interoperability - or perhaps you don't want your GP's computer talking to the ER's computer when you're in the ER bleeding???

this silly woman has projected her wacky fears (strangely opposed to the ashcroftian fantasies that you likely harbor) of government CONTROL.

for christ's sake the act mentions NIST by name. you familiar with NIST? no? apparently the author of the opinion piece isn't. they make standards, not surveillance.

conclusion to part one: this lady is ideologically driven to the point that she's turning technical interoperability standards into 1984.

um, no.

FLUSH.

and of course i'm not going to bother with whatever else she's saying, given that she's obviously commenting on shit she doesn't understand.

later.
 
"Slipped in without discussion" ??!?

That's one hell of an overstatement. The health-care aspect text is enormous and has passed MANY readings, edits and votes before passing both houses.

I would have to do a reading of the thing to see how close to the mark this opinion-piece gets, but off-hand, I'd say that it's a LARGE over-simplification of the issue with a good portion of spin attached.
 
It is shocking that the libbies who are so adamantly against the Patriot Act are so open to allowing "your medical treatments to be tracked electronically by a federal system." So much for HIPPA. :shrug:
 
that's not what it's about.

stop with the bullshit ideological grandstanding. it's utterly transparent and quite unflattering.
 
*pssst*

law enforcement angencies should not have computers that could talk to one another, despite the obvious issues that became apparent with lack of interoperability in the days after 9/11.

because if they get that, before you know what has happened, the feds will tap the local police records for pistol registrations and COME FOR OUR GUNS!!!!

everybody panic.

yawn.
 
It is shocking that the libbies who are so adamantly against the Patriot Act are so open to allowing "your medical treatments to be tracked electronically by a federal system." So much for HIPPA. :shrug:
Not really
3009-
(1) This title may not be construed as having any effect on the authorities of the Secretary under HIPAA privacy and security law.
    • (2) The purposes of this title include ensuring that the health information technology standards and implementation specifications adopted under section 3004 take into account the requirements of HIPAA privacy and security law.
 
a prediction

when healthcare gets socialized, no less than 2/3 of the practicing doctors will call it a day

dont get sick for awhile folks
 
we shall see who laughs last

veterinarians will be impacted too you know. better get your shots while you can monkeyboy

and just who died and made you the judge of the validity of all statements anyway? are you the only one entitled to an opinion around here? or is yours the only one worth listening to? since you seem to be allowed to slam everyone elses statements without sanction, maybe its time you had some company in the pigpen. i dont mind getting muddy
 
because if they get that, before you know what has happened, the feds will tap the local police records for pistol registrations and COME FOR OUR GUNS!!!!

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, Police Superintendent P. Eddie Compass unleashed a wave of confiscations with these chilling words:

No one will be able to be armed. We will take all weapons. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns."


Thousands of firearms were then confiscated from law-abiding gun owners. The police gave no paperwork or receipts for those guns. They just stormed in and seized them.


Now, one year later, these crimes against gun owners have snowballed into a far greater threat to our freedoms.

Even though NRA secured a court order demanding their immediate and unconditional return, almost every single confiscated firearm remains locked in government trailers.

NRA

still yawning?
 
Clearly, many of the members of this forum are woefully unfamiliar with the fable of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf."
 
we shall see who laughs last

veterinarians will be impacted too you know. better get your shots while you can monkeyboy

and just who died and made you the judge of the validity of all statements anyway? are you the only one entitled to an opinion around here? or is yours the only one worth listening to? since you seem to be allowed to slam everyone elses statements without sanction, maybe its time you had some company in the pigpen. i dont mind getting muddy

Hey, have all the opinions you want. I just had my own opinion of your ridiulous prediction. I notice you never actually took the bet you offered on that other prediction of yours.
 
part one: bullshit.

curious that little miss muffett didn't choose the most recent version of the act to critique. i didn't check between versions, because there is a limit to the amount of time i'm going to expend discussing this opinion-driven and ideologically biased drivel, but hey, it's still a neat-o curiosity.

If you had but checked -- which you have openly stated that you didn't -- you would have found that the version she critiqued was the most recent version on the date this was written -- February 9.
 
If you had but checked -- which you have openly stated that you didn't -- you would have found that the version she critiqued was the most recent version on the date this was written -- February 9.

yeah, well, like i mentioned, there's only so much effort that i'm willing to make to humor the bunk you post.

now that you've corrected my negligence, what about the substance of my objections to this lady's obvious slanting of the act from standardizing IT stuffs into ohmigawd it's giant evil uncle sam controlling my medical destiny!
 
Clearly, many of the members of this forum are woefully unfamiliar with the fable of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf."

Clearly, those who are considered to be crying wolf will still be armed while those who considered them so will be standing around looking dumbfounded.
 
so law enforcement agencies should not have the ability to interface their IT for information-sharing because there's some risk of sharing of firearm records? and how does that risk compare to the risk of terrorist attacks being only understood after the fact because records were not (effectively/expediently) shared across agencies? the 'nawlins debacle, while unfortunate, stands outside that question. so what about the bigger issue?
 
so law enforcement agencies should not have the ability to interface their IT for information-sharing because there's some risk of sharing of firearm records? and how does that risk compare to the risk of terrorist attacks being only understood after the fact because records were not (effectively/expediently) shared across agencies? the 'nawlins debacle, while unfortunate, stands outside that question. so what about the bigger issue?

Yet we have discussed the wall that Toricelli and Gorelick built HERE that precluded the FBI and CIA from interfacing and, as I recall, the lefties here were against the removal of that wall. Yet that wall prevented the FBI from searching the hard drive of the one terror suspect they had in custody, Moussaoui (sp?), because the evidence they were looking for was related to terrorism and not criminal behavior.
 
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