Inhuman religious zealot goes mad!

[freako104]

I don't think you can emphasis the importance of the floodlights enough. These must be pointed directly into his damned bedroom. And while we're at it, why not add some strobe lights, and some nifty little bible quote to be parroted really loudly over a dolby system? Or we could just put a statuette of some gays fucking right outside his yard....

does it have to be gay? remember he hates all sinners and it doesnt have to be a statue

 

[MrBishop]

the problem my friend lies in the fact that he does have a right to say it. people have a right to say things potentially offensive. its things like slander that is illegal(and even then its kind of a slippery slope cause right to speech but insulting someone) it sucks i know but he has a right. although the monument is an endorcment of religion isnt it? so more than likely the ACLU will step in

It is a bitter pill
and sure to make me ill
Though we both open mouth
and both of us, to shout
our words both resolute
our feelings are astute
We stand on freedom's back
and at our foes attack
I'm right and he is wrong
my soul will be more strong
but when this day is gone
the fight goes on anon
What blood lies at our side
what bile comes from inside
will soon be forgot
for our freedoms, they must not.

-MGendron 2003

 

[Gato_Solo]

1. Matthew Shepard was murdered by a group of animals.
2. Because Matthew Shepard was gay, some folks put up a monument.
3. A religious Zealot wants to put up a counter-monument.

Now that I've listed what appear to be the facts, I'll say this...

What happened was tragic, but, if Matthew Shepard was straight, would he be getting a monument? How about if Matthew Shepard was [insert minority here], or [insert religion here]? Think carefully before you answer...

 

[Ms Ann Thrope]

"That is exactly what I said would happen," said Councilwoman Barb Watters. She said she warned the city when it accepted the Ten Commandments statue that the city risked other monuments advocating anti-Semitism and hatred of other minorities.

Serves the community right for ignoring the separation of Church and State.

 

[MrBishop]

1. Matthew Shepard was murdered by a group of animals.
2. Because Matthew Shepard was gay, some folks put up a monument.
3. A religious Zealot wants to put up a counter-monument.

Now that I've listed what appear to be the facts, I'll say this...

What happened was tragic, but, if Matthew Shepard was straight, would he be getting a monument? How about if Matthew Shepard was [insert minority here], or [insert religion here]? Think carefully before you answer...

I would think that if Matthew Shepard was a racial minority that was murdered by..lets say, the KKK he might've gotten a monument. If he had been part of a religious minority, he would've been considered a Martyr and may have gotten a monument as well. It's the environment of hate which drove those animals to murder Matthew Shepard. It's this Baptism minister and his followers that created this attitude. I would say that this minister's cause chose the victim in question and who would get the monument.

Gato...are you trying to say that if this man was preaching anti-semetic(sp?) beliefs or White Supremecist propoganda from the pulpit that he wouldn't have gotten the same press,or that his victim would not have been mourned as well.

I don't think that you are, but it's nice to make sure. Sure...the Gay-Cause is all fashineable right now, but that shoudn't distract from the reality of blind hatred.

 

[freako104]

hate to say it this way but there technically isnt one. its implied but many say there isnt one word for word. id like there to be one myself but sadly its not mentiond

 

[Ms Ann Thrope]

Do you mean that technically the separation of Church and State doesn't exist? in practice, I guess not...

We wouldn't be having this conversation if any mention of a higher power were removed from all government publications, texts and property. I don't like seeing it on our money, hearing it in the Pledge of Allegiance or displayed on government property.

 

[Gato_Solo]

I would think that if Matthew Shepard was a racial minority that was murdered by..lets say, the KKK he might've gotten a monument. If he had been part of a religious minority, he would've been considered a Martyr and may have gotten a monument as well. It's the environment of hate which drove those animals to murder Matthew Shepard. It's this Baptism minister and his followers that created this attitude. I would say that this minister's cause chose the victim in question and who would get the monument.

Gato...are you trying to say that if this man was preaching anti-semetic(sp?) beliefs or White Supremecist propoganda from the pulpit that he wouldn't have gotten the same press,or that his victim would not have been mourned as well.

I don't think that you are, but it's nice to make sure. Sure...the Gay-Cause is all fashineable right now, but that shoudn't distract from the reality of blind hatred.

As for the first paragraph, it still happens. Remember the black man that was dragged to death in Texas? A religious minority minority like, say David Koresh et al haven't gotten monuments either. As for the second paragraph, I don't really think it deserves an answer because there are tons of web-sites out there that cater to such idiocy...just as there are tons of web-sites that spew forth anti-[insert group here] propaganda at an alarming rate.

Personally, I don't feel that he deserves a monument. He deserves justice and compassion. He deserved the right to live his life as he pleased, and be respected as a person. Everybody deserves that.

 

[chcr]

Do you mean that technically the separation of Church and State doesn't exist? in practice, I guess not...

We wouldn't be having this conversation if any mention of a higher power were removed from all government publications, texts and property. I don't like seeing it on our money, hearing it in the Pledge of Allegiance or displayed on government property.

It's a christian nation, always has been (not being christian, this frequenly worries me). BTW, you do know that separation of church and state is not specifically provided for in the constitution? I disagree, though. There would still be homophobes etc., they'd just have different justifications.

 

[Ms Ann Thrope]

It's a christian nation, always has been (not being christian, this frequenly worries me). BTW, you do know that separation of church and state is not specifically provided for in the constitution? I disagree, though. There would still be homophobes etc., they'd just have different justifications.

all true...

 

[Puma]

Hate is returned with hate until someone stops. We should pity the 'holy' man's ignorance and block his attempts to spread it around for his own good rather than retaliate with the flood light of repetition.

 

[Professur]

Let me highlight this man's opinions for you and make it personal just to strike a point with ya Prof.

He believes that all people who got AIDS, regarldess of why, will go to Hell because they have sinned,
so (God Forbid that this ever happens)...let's say that Prof v.1 has a bad blood transmission and gets AIDS...this is the kind of man that would, after her death, put up a statue in downtown St.Hubert in her image, with a plaque saying that she's entered Hell on such-and-such a date.

How'd you feel about his "Freedom of Speach" then?

This isn't freedom of speech....it isn't speech, it's inflamitory, disrespectful and hateful.

First off, I'm Prof V1.0. You want V2.0 She's at the inlaws' today. I'll tell her you were asking of her.

Second. Have you looked around recently? This is no better of worse than what happened to the former cityhall of beaconfield. You did hear about that, didn't you? You did hear Villeneuve claiming that the perps were set up by the anglos, didn't you?

But then, they weren't gay, so you might not have.

Hate is hate. And unless people start addressing the hate, instead of the target of the hate it's not going to go away. So let's do some addressing, shall we?

I've commented on the sudden volume of gay threads recently. These gay threads are noone's fault. They're simply a reflection of the increase in gay publicity. Gay publicity. Think about that for a minute. Gay Publicity. Where's it coming from? Who's publicising it? Let me tell you who. Gays. Gay week. Gay marriage. Hell, the fucking Gay Games. Now tell me something. What's gonna happen if I hold a Straight Games? No gays allowed. Or open a club, only for straights? The gay's'll have me in court, won't they? Well, where's the court challenge against the Gay Games? Nope, can't do that. It's not PC. Well, there are angry people out there, waiting for the scales to balance. And if they're not seen to balance, those people are gonna take action.

That action is gonna take different forms. Some are gonna protest in public. Some are gonna stand up and (on whatever soapbox) protest. But most aren't. Most are gonna stew. And a few are gonna boil over and go looking for someone to beat up. This one guy put up a monument. Someone paid for that monument. Probably quite a few someones. Some of those stewing at home, no doubt. No doubt they're feeling a bit better for having done it. After all, the gay's put up a monument, didn't they? Maybe this is their way to balance those scales. Maybe a few gays won't get beat up this week, after all.


Y'know, it's comical. I just read in a different thread about someone having defaced a monument, and everyone was all mad about it. And then I come in here, and everyone want's to deface this one. What makes you people any different that the assholes who defaced the war monument? After all, it's a monument you don't respect, and the one in Ottawa is one they didn't. What's the difference?

You all make me sick.

 

[Gato_Solo]

Y'know, it's comical. I just read in a different thread about someone having defaced a monument, and everyone was all mad about it. And then I come in here, and everyone want's to deface this one. What makes you people any different that the assholes who defaced the war monument? After all, it's a monument you don't respect, and the one in Ottawa is one they didn't. What's the difference?

You all make me sick.

I'll bite. The difference is that the folks in the other thread died defending a nation. Michael Shepard was murdered by hooligans. While I, personally, would be first in line to prosecute anybody defacing any monument, including one for Michael Shepard, I don't feel that Michael Shepard really did anything to deserve a monument. If that was the case, where are all the monuments for each individual murdered who happen to be [insert race/religion/sexual preference here]? If you want to have a monument for Michael Shepard only, it diminishes all others who have died for their sexual preference, gay, straight, or bi.

 

[MrBishop]

Second. Have you looked around recently? This is no better of worse than what happened to the former cityhall of beaconfield. You did hear about that, didn't you? You did hear Villeneuve claiming that the perps were set up by the anglos, didn't you?

But then, they weren't gay, so you might not have.

I don't see the connection.

Hate is hate. And unless people start addressing the hate, instead of the target of the hate it's not going to go away. So let's do some addressing, shall we?

By all means. A hate crime is a hate crime is a hate-crime. This minister's actions and those of his parishioners are no different than those who walk around with Swastikas on their sleeves and burn down black churches. The cause of this hate..or rather the hate itself? Fear. Fear of the unknown. It drives all hate...point blank. We humans like to categorize. This thing is similar to that, or different than this. If we can't find a point of reference, we become confused and afraid. How will these people react? Are they dangerous? This fear, and the fact that we are being pushed together and forced to live in close proximity to strangers. We don't know our neighbours. We are living with strangers. This causes phenomenons like the Halloween Candy (pins in the apple) fear, despite a minimal lack of evidence that this occurs regularly. There are other examples, but I shant elaborate here. The point is...the unknown/the different are feared and hated. Fear leads to hate.

I've commented on the sudden volume of gay threads recently. These gay threads are noone's fault. They're simply a reflection of the increase in gay publicity. Gay publicity. Think about that for a minute. Gay Publicity. Where's it coming from? Who's publicising it? Let me tell you who. Gays. Gay week. Gay marriage. Hell, the fucking Gay Games. ...

Consider it a way of making themselves more known and hopefully, more understood. Hopefully, it'll make people see that they're not really all that different. They'll eventually be understaood by the majority, and we'll be able to pigeon-hole them like we do everything else. More understood, less feared, less hated. Makes sence to me.

That action is gonna take different forms. Some are gonna protest in public. Some are gonna stand up and (on whatever soapbox) protest. But most aren't. Most are gonna stew. And a few are gonna boil over and go looking for someone to beat up. This one guy put up a monument. Someone paid for that monument. Probably quite a few someones. Some of those stewing at home, no doubt. No doubt they're feeling a bit better for having done it. After all, the gay's put up a monument, didn't they? Maybe this is their way to balance those scales. Maybe a few gays won't get beat up this week, after all.

It takes a leader to form a mob. This one is supposed to be clergy...preachig the love and forgiveness of God. This one is preaching hate from the pulpit. This one is emulating the mullahs that use the Koran to create suicide bombers. He's focussing on one part of the bible and using it like a weapon. It's not like he's putting up a big cross...if he was, more power to him. I even like the whole idea of putting up the 10-commandments in the middle of town. Great..whatever. This isn't what he's doing...he's not even attacking homosexuality as a whole here...he's singling out one individual, who just died. A person who had family, friends etc...and destroying their memory in one fell swoop. This is more like kicking over a tombstone. This isn't balancing the scales...it's adding fuel to the fire.

Y'know, it's comical. I just read in a different thread about someone having defaced a monument, and everyone was all mad about it. And then I come in here, and everyone want's to deface this one. What makes you people any different that the assholes who defaced the war monument? After all, it's a monument you don't respect, and the one in Ottawa is one they didn't. What's the difference?

It's the context of the memorial. Over 50 million died in wars to protect our freedom. They paid the ultimate price for it. The one in Ottawa honours the price they paid and the price that their families paid.
The one we're talking about here glorifies hatred. It represents the worst that religion can bring about in people.

Good vs. Evil

You all make me sick.[/QUOTE]

 

[MrBishop]

I'll bite. The difference is that the folks in the other thread died defending a nation. Michael Shepard was murdered by hooligans. While I, personally, would be first in line to prosecute anybody defacing any monument, including one for Michael Shepard, I don't feel that Michael Shepard really did anything to deserve a monument. If that was the case, where are all the monuments for each individual murdered who happen to be [insert race/religion/sexual preference here]? If you want to have a monument for Michael Shepard only, it diminishes all others who have died for their sexual preference, gay, straight, or bi.

So he didn't deserve a monument. Maybe he was just the poor schmo of the week. The most violent example, in that area, or the violence brewing in the background. He died just when the budget was balanced and there was a few hundred dollars left over to commemorate one gay guy that got killed.
Maybe he was a schmuck, maybe he was saintly but in either case, he was singled out for murder and he was singled out for martyrdom. Not even the historians will know why he was picked.

I don't think that it dimishes it...it's just an example. You can't martyr everyone who dies for their lifestyles, race, gender, principles...but you can pick one. He got the (un)lucky ticket.

 

[IDLEchild]

That's the governments job. The people can still tell you to STFU.

Here here.......*claps for gonz*

 

[Professur]

Y'know Bish, I give up. You read every word of what I posted, and didn't understand a single one. Where did I say hate crime?

You want hate crime. Let's look at hate crime.

I have an idea. Let's take all the religious nuts & put them on an island, fully stocked with food, fresh water & knives, very, very sharp knives. Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc. The winner gets a free trip to Leavenworth with all the food he can eat & exercise equipment he can handle. Forever.

erect some granite statue of the lad with an acompanying 6ft bronze plaque of quotes from the bible about tolerance, brotherhood and loving all of gods creation. floodlight it and stick it outside the twat's house.

I don't think you can emphasis the importance of the floodlights enough. These must be pointed directly into his damned bedroom. And while we're at it, why not add some strobe lights, and some nifty little bible quote to be parroted really loudly over a dolby system? Or we could just put a statuette of some gays fucking right outside his yard....

[quote="Mr.Bishop]Perhaps it should be destroyed right after it's put up...and the chips and chunks or rock thrown liberally at the windows of this schmuck's house....then again, a nice bonfire is always cheerful.

Ooh...a big ol statue of this rector butt-fucking a sheep while wielding a bible like a whip. He could be wearing women's underwear and high heels. Airbrushed lipstick and blush.

THEN...add the strobe lights and spotlights

[/quote]


Now this guy's raising a monument to his view of religion. Warped, perhaps. But what all are you guys suggesting? Destruction of property? Personal attacks?

And Bish. Nothing he's said in any way is contradicted by the Bible. AND . Considering that you uphold the right for a gay priest to hold office, in direct violation of scripture ...

Ah fuck it. You're to fucking pc to see or care. Just your thread title shows how you're just as intolerant as he is.

Gato, thanks for the effort at realism.

 

[Gonz]

I can't get past:

Why exactly is America so weak that it cannot afford to properly define it's "Right to free speach" enough to stop people like this?

That's is hilarious.

 

[freako104]

Do you mean that technically the separation of Church and State doesn't exist? in practice, I guess not...

We wouldn't be having this conversation if any mention of a higher power were removed from all government publications, texts and property. I don't like seeing it on our money, hearing it in the Pledge of Allegiance or displayed on government property.

it is not actually mentioned. it is implied.i dont like it either as i agree with the ACLU on getting all this under god crap out since it is a way of endorsing religion(which violates our Constitution) but separation itself doesnt exsist

 

[freako104]

1. Matthew Shepard was murdered by a group of animals.
2. Because Matthew Shepard was gay, some folks put up a monument.
3. A religious Zealot wants to put up a counter-monument.

Now that I've listed what appear to be the facts, I'll say this...

What happened was tragic, but, if Matthew Shepard was straight, would he be getting a monument? How about if Matthew Shepard was [insert minority here], or [insert religion here]? Think carefully before you answer...

you do have a point there Gato. but Shephard was a hate crime. there arent too many stories of gays killing straights but i assure you it happens.