Iranian official admits Tehran supplied missiles to Hezbollah

Professur said:
See Inky's reply. And to the list you go.
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Saw Inky's reply, did a couple searches, and read highwayman's links. Still no proof.

Kinda ridiculous to expect anyone to believe it at this point without any evidence or anyone making a big deal about it in the news.
 
Gonz said:
Wrong group. Try again please. Oh, and like I believe anything Tutu says.
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Wrong group? Which group of Arabs is it that you think lives with equality in Israel?
 
paul_valaru said:
I see no facts, I see one report, with no back up.
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Geez man, there's reports from three different groups there. You do have the rose colored glasses on.
 
spike said:
Wrong group? Which group of Arabs is it that you think lives with equality in Israel?
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How about the rest of them. The Palestinains are not in Israel. The Arabs in Israel live in harmony & peace (except for being shunned by the anti-Jew Arabs)
 
Gonz said:
How about the rest of them. The Palestinains are not in Israel. The Arabs in Israel live in harmony & peace (except for being shunned by the anti-Jew Arabs)
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2nd-3rd-4th class citizens.
 
highwayman said:
Only in countries such as Lebanon and Iran...
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Arabs are 2nd-3rd-4th class citizens in Lebabnon and Iran? Who's the 1st class then? I was under the impression they were Arab states.
 
highwayman said:
They are?
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Depends on your definition of Arab for Iran but there's not much question in the case of Lebanon. I be interested to hear about your info on Arabs being treated as 2nd class citizens in either country though.
 
spike said:
2nd-3rd-4th class citizens.
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this is true. israeli arabs are treated like poo-poo.

not that this is factual at all...

this is only drawn from the testimony of some israeli arabs that i have known. well. and trust. because they were good people. imagine that...
 
Your right, arabs in israel do NOT have equal voting rights as in other countries, in israel the women can vote too.

(there is a diffrence between palestinians and arab israelis)

MYTH

"Israel discriminates against its Arab citizens."

FACT

Israel is one of the most open societies in the world. Out of a population of 6.7 million, about 1.3 million — 20 percent of the population — are non-Jews (approximately 1.1 million Muslims, 130,000 Christians and 100,000 Druze).1

Arabs in Israel have equal voting rights; in fact, it is one of the few places in the Middle East where Arab women may vote. Arabs currently hold 8 seats in the 120-seat Knesset. Israeli Arabs have also held various government posts, including one who served as Israel's ambassador to Finland and the current deputy mayor of Tel Aviv. Oscar Abu Razaq was appointed Director General of the Ministry of Interior, the first Arab citizen to become chief executive of a key government ministry. Ariel Sharon's original cabinet included the first Arab minister, Salah Tarif, a Druze who served as a minister without portfolio. An Arab is also a Supreme Court justice.

Arabic, like Hebrew, is an official language in Israel. More than 300,000 Arab children attend Israeli schools. At the time of Israel's founding, there was one Arab high school in the country. Today, there are hundreds of Arab schools.2

In 2002, the Israeli Supreme Court also ruled that the government cannot allocate land based on religion or ethnicity, and may not prevent Arab citizens from living wherever they choose.2a

The sole legal distinction between Jewish and Arab citizens of Israel is that the latter are not required to serve in the Israeli army. This is to spare Arab citizens the need to take up arms against their brethren. Nevertheless, Bedouins have served in paratroop units and other Arabs have volunteered for military duty. Compulsory military service is applied to the Druze and Circassian communities at their own request.

Some economic and social gaps between Israeli Jews and Arabs result from the latter not serving in the military. Veterans qualify for many benefits not available to non-veterans. Moreover, the army aids in the socialization process.

On the other hand, Arabs do have an advantage in obtaining some jobs during the years Israelis are in the military. In addition, industries like construction and trucking have come to be dominated by Israeli Arabs.

Although Israeli Arabs have occasionally been involved in terrorist activities, they have generally behaved as loyal citizens. During the 1967, 1973 and 1982 wars, none engaged in any acts of sabotage or disloyalty. Sometimes, in fact, Arabs volunteered to take over civilian functions for reservists. During the outbreak of violence in the territories that began in September 2000, Israeli Arabs for the first time engaged in widespread protests with some violence.

The United States has been independent for almost 230 years and still has not integrated all of its diverse communities. Even today, 60 years after civil rights legislation was adopted, discrimination has not been eradicated. It should not be surprising that Israel has not solved all of its social problems in only 57 years
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link
 
paul_valaru said:
(there is a diffrence between palestinians and arab israelis)
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What's the difference?


Israel has treated its Arab minority -- the descendants of the 150,000 Arabs who stayed put when Israel was established during the War of Independence in 1948 -- as the enemy within for decades

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2000/11/03/israeli_arabs/index.html

Since the establishment of the State of Israel, the Arab minority has been marginalized in almost all aspects of Israeli society. Politically, the Arabs in Israel have been excluded from every government coalition, thus rendered politically powerless. Budget allocations illustrate the consequences of such exclusion. In contrast to the successful role of small Jewish religious parties, the Arabs as a collective minority have not enjoyed the same budget allocations and governmental investments. Moreover, the Arab minority has never been considered part of national development plans. Other matters such as the absorption of Jewish immigrants have taken priority over the needs of the Arabs. The industrial infrastructure, which was supposed to replace the agricultural sector in the Arab community after the mass confiscation of their lands, remains undeveloped to this day.

Moreover, the cultural life of the Arab minority remains marginalized. One example is the absence of the official use of the Arabic language. Although it is considered an official language in Israel, in the same capacity as the Hebrew language, there is no serious attempt to teach Arabic in Jewish schools, nor is the Arabic language respresented on the prime time hours of official broadcasting television.

In parallel to the continual policies ignoring the political and cultural needs of the Arab community in Israel, another process, no less effective, has developed. A uniform terminology and rhetoric among the Jewish majority, represented by Israeli governments throughout the last fifty years, has gradually developed regarding the national Arab minority.

http://www.wcl.american.edu/hrbrief/v5i2/html/arabmi.htm
 
spike said:
Arabs do not have equality or equal representation. Their voting rights are even limited.
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They're (last time I noticed) 20% of the population. Of course they don't have equal representation. Nor should they. However, they are not treated as second class citizens, as you suggest. Equality... :lol: You watch too much Katie Couric.


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Gonz said:
They're (last time I noticed) 20% of the population. Of course they don't have equal representation. Nor should they.
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They should proportionately.

However, they are not treated as second class citizens, as you suggest. Equality... :lol: You watch too much Katie Couric.


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How'd you miss post# 57?
 
Because it's horseshit. Those same people have been marginalized by Arabs for centuries. Those same people are called martyrs when they are nothing but sticks to stir the shit pot with. I feel for them but they're right where they want to be.
 
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