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ResearchMonkey
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Dykes on bikes?
staffrodore
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Maybe reverting back to Adoption is the answer?
tank girl
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I know, lets scrap the lot - promote abstinence and teenage virtue (note: oxymoron)... that'll do it.
Just turn away at the rise in dodgy backstreet abortions or do-it-yourself with a coat-hanger kits made by young women - that risk bleeding to death in the process.
Lets encourage 15 yr olds to get married as soon as they can and if not, turn our head away at the "accidental" teen pregnancies that magically occur because they've been brainwashed to believe condoms (designed for a specific purpose :tard: ) don't work - let the increase in young parents bludge off the taxpayers money instead - let them miss out on the chance to go to college or do something they want rather than go through with the consequences of a mistake made due to stupidity, ignorance or just plain old hormonal impulsiveness.
Just turn away at the rise in dodgy backstreet abortions or do-it-yourself with a coat-hanger kits made by young women - that risk bleeding to death in the process.
Lets encourage 15 yr olds to get married as soon as they can and if not, turn our head away at the "accidental" teen pregnancies that magically occur because they've been brainwashed to believe condoms (designed for a specific purpose :tard: ) don't work - let the increase in young parents bludge off the taxpayers money instead - let them miss out on the chance to go to college or do something they want rather than go through with the consequences of a mistake made due to stupidity, ignorance or just plain old hormonal impulsiveness.
staffrodore
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Ahem, my mother had me at the age of 15, unmarried of course, boyfriend done a runner as soon as he found out she was preggers. Guess what, instead of being brainwashed by society telling her she was a loser, total dropout for having a child at such a young age, she went on to further education, finished uni and now works as a manager for one of the largest banks in Australia. So really there is no need to miss out on anything and remember this all happened back in the 70's where unmarried teen mums where a big no no and brought shame on the rest on the family.
IDLEchild
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tank girl said:
3 horrible reasons for an abortion and the main problem against abortion. I am pro choice because you can piss and moan like motherfucker against abortion but if you're a man pontificating on the issue of a women's choice than more woman should have a say on whether you get to keep your balls or not....simply put: It is not your body, you will never know. I remember reading a quote once which went like this
77% of anti-abortionists are men, 77% of them will never know what it is like to have a child"
with that said...
Stupidity, ignorance and hormonal impulses are 3 horribly excuses which tarnish the cause of abortion and it is seriousness. For the life in me I can't ever imagine having a child (not producing one, but having one...like one coming out of my urethera) so I can't say much but don't give me this "it'll ruin society and tear down the fabric of morality" BS. Parents are lazy and uncomfortable about taking to their kids about sex....they are. Even those that aren't, have trouble and we have all been 16...at that age you felt your parents were wrong and you knew it all....
....but still, with that said...
Stupidity, ignorance and hormonal impulses are terrible excuses for abortions...and if they keep becoming the main reasons for abortions then the cause will lose whatever, serious, support it had....
....but with that said...
a second chance is a beautiful thing. I could never reach a deciding point on this issue because after observing my own life i've found that there were so many occasions where my decisions seemed obtuse or wrong to others but I wished they had studied the case closer to really see why I did what I did. Same way some woman may seem like a slut or whore for getting an abortion but you just never know her reasons for doing what she did, her circumstance, her qualms, her conundrums.
tank girl
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I too, am pro-choice. Did you not get that sarcasm?
Straff - I'm not ditching teen sex or pregnancy - One of my best friends had a baby at 17.
My point is that Sex happens - obviously - Sex happens- and
very easily to many - especially if you're a reckless and experimental, hormonally charged teen - and just like the right you have to choose who you have sex with so should you have the right to choose whether or not you want to go through with the pregnancy should you fall pregnant accidentally and you don't know what to do. There is no doubt that abortion is not an excuse not to be responsible about prevention and contraceptive use - but it is definately something that should be an open option to those that want to choose it without pressure from others condeming them from their moral high-ground with narrow-minded views. It is a matter of personal choice as much as deciding to be a teen mother - however, nobody likes to see babies having babies, do they? If the option isn't there legally or openly avaliable then it will still go on behind closed doors and in much more risky and dangerous scenarios inevitably will occur - If someone wants to end their pregnancy, they will try any way they can to do possibly it.
I disagree with the abuse of abortion as an alternative to being responsible about contraception - but you're right IC- in the end it is a woman's choice - a womans body.
It is specifically a female issue - and a female issue alone, it is a woman's body, it is a woman's right to have every option legally avaliable to her, and the right to choose what is right for her. There is no male who will ever be in the rightful position to determine whether or not abortion is right or wrong seeing as they will never have to go through with such a procedure. Ending a pregnancy is never easy - but it should be an option for anyone that willingly is able to and needs to go through with it for whatever reason.
Has anyone ever seen "If these walls could talk?" with Demi Moore?
It is dated but still a really powerful insight of what it is like having to deal with getting pregnant when you don't want to.
Straff - I'm not ditching teen sex or pregnancy - One of my best friends had a baby at 17.My point is that Sex happens - obviously - Sex happens- and
very easily to many - especially if you're a reckless and experimental, hormonally charged teen - and just like the right you have to choose who you have sex with so should you have the right to choose whether or not you want to go through with the pregnancy should you fall pregnant accidentally and you don't know what to do. There is no doubt that abortion is not an excuse not to be responsible about prevention and contraceptive use - but it is definately something that should be an open option to those that want to choose it without pressure from others condeming them from their moral high-ground with narrow-minded views. It is a matter of personal choice as much as deciding to be a teen mother - however, nobody likes to see babies having babies, do they? If the option isn't there legally or openly avaliable then it will still go on behind closed doors and in much more risky and dangerous scenarios inevitably will occur - If someone wants to end their pregnancy, they will try any way they can to do possibly it.
I disagree with the abuse of abortion as an alternative to being responsible about contraception - but you're right IC- in the end it is a woman's choice - a womans body.
It is specifically a female issue - and a female issue alone, it is a woman's body, it is a woman's right to have every option legally avaliable to her, and the right to choose what is right for her. There is no male who will ever be in the rightful position to determine whether or not abortion is right or wrong seeing as they will never have to go through with such a procedure. Ending a pregnancy is never easy - but it should be an option for anyone that willingly is able to and needs to go through with it for whatever reason.
Has anyone ever seen "If these walls could talk?" with Demi Moore?
It is dated but still a really powerful insight of what it is like having to deal with getting pregnant when you don't want to.
ClaireBear
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IMO "Stupidity, ignorance and hormonal impulses" are not excuses, no matter how terrible, for abortion... they are the excuses for the act that results in pregnancy.
Terrible excuses for abortion include... self assessment and evaluation, realisation of ineptitude, mental/physical illness, rape, relationship breakdown... and others.
Now thats my first and last word...
IDLEchild said:
IMO "Stupidity, ignorance and hormonal impulses" are not excuses, no matter how terrible, for abortion... they are the excuses for the act that results in pregnancy.
Terrible excuses for abortion include... self assessment and evaluation, realisation of ineptitude, mental/physical illness, rape, relationship breakdown... and others.
Now thats my first and last word...
Gato_Solo
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chcr said:Yep, for every horror story you hear about how horrible getting pregnant young is and how it will screw up your life, there are 25 (or more) of these that you never hear about.
Sorry. I'm not buying that. If that were the case, then one out of every 26 people would have been born out-of-wedlock. Remember...we're not talking about children from a divorced couple, here. We're talking about teen pregnancy. As for Staffrodore's case, I'd say it's rare. I'll also ask this...how did his grandparents figure into this equation? In cases like his, the family unit also has the grandparents involved. If they weren't[/I] involved, his case is extrememly rare.
MrBishop
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When people hear "planned parenthood" clinics...all they think about is "Abortion"... it's like a red flash before their eyes. This thread started as a statement about how the PP clinics are relying more and more on the moneys from abortions to stay afloat. Hmmm.... strange that they didn't mention what other services that PP provides that needs financial support.
like:
<LI>family planning counseling and birth control
<LI>pregnancy testing and counseling
<LI>gynecological care, Pap tests, breast exams
<LI>emergency contraception
<LI>HIV testing and counseling
<LI>medically accurate sexuality education
<LI>screening and treatment for sexually transmitted infections
<LI>infertility screening and counseling
<LI>voluntary sterilization for women and men
<LI>reproductive medical exams for men
<LI>safer sex counseling
<LI>midlife services
<LI>abortions or abortion referrals
<LI>prenatal care
<LI>adoption referrals
<LI>primary care
<LI>referrals for specialized care
All of these services are offered cheaply to anyone who comes in. Many of them charging under cost for the services. Yeah..they provide more abortions than any other clinics... it's known to be a safe place to do so.
Anyone think of a good reason why all of these services should be stopped for the sake of stopping one which is decidedly unpopular with the right-wing?
like:
<LI>family planning counseling and birth control
<LI>pregnancy testing and counseling
<LI>gynecological care, Pap tests, breast exams
<LI>emergency contraception
<LI>HIV testing and counseling
<LI>medically accurate sexuality education
<LI>screening and treatment for sexually transmitted infections
<LI>infertility screening and counseling
<LI>voluntary sterilization for women and men
<LI>reproductive medical exams for men
<LI>safer sex counseling
<LI>midlife services
<LI>abortions or abortion referrals
<LI>prenatal care
<LI>adoption referrals
<LI>primary care
<LI>referrals for specialized care
All of these services are offered cheaply to anyone who comes in. Many of them charging under cost for the services. Yeah..they provide more abortions than any other clinics... it's known to be a safe place to do so.
Anyone think of a good reason why all of these services should be stopped for the sake of stopping one which is decidedly unpopular with the right-wing?
