It was only a matter of time

[chcr]

Post 42 answers that fallacy

Yet last week there was a serious - and depressing - development at a meeting of the council of Stirling University Students’ Association (SUSA). Its members voted by 15-1 to remove the Bible from more than 2,000 university rooms because, they said, providing it in all university accommodation was "presumptuous" and offensive to non-Christians. Seven members abstained.

Is very different from:

Rather, more fundamentally, it is deeply disturbing that students in a place of learning are attempting to ban a book. They’ll be wanting to burn them next. "[H]e who destroys a good book, kills reason itself," said Milton in Areopagitica.

yet both are taken from the article you posted.

You're letting the sensationalized wording of the article sway you emotionally. Nobody voted to ban anything. In fact, the original article says that they'll continue to be made available to anyone that wants them (at the dorms). They simply won't be placed in the rooms as a matter of course. Typical knee-jerk reaction though. Any time anyone says anything at all involving religion or religious icons knees jerk around the world. Everyone that wants one will still be given access to a bible anytime they want. I guess I just don't see what the BFD is.

 

[Gato_Solo]

Is very different from:

yet both are taken from the article you posted.

You're letting the sensationalized wording of the article sway you emotionally. Nobody voted to ban anything. In fact, the original article says that they'll continue to be made available to anyone that wants them (at the dorms). They simply won't be placed in the rooms as a matter of course. Typical knee-jerk reaction though. Any time anyone says anything at all involving religion or religious icons knees jerk around the world. Everyone that wants one will still be given access to a bible anytime they want. I guess I just don't see what the BFD is.

If you don't see the BFD now, then thats because it shouldn't have been a BFD in the first place (when the bibles were 'banned'). If todays students are too lazy, inept, or ignorant to toss a book they do not agree with, then it's a very sad day in our society. We've finally been able to raise an entire generation of morons, and we seem to be proud of that.

 

[freako104]

I ain't ever lost any sleep over what a follower of Anton LaVey thought of me.

fair enough. And Lovecraft fans? Or would you do the same thing with the Qu'Aran? See the point wasnt about who wrote it. The thing is that they can call disrespect to those and ostracise those who used it in said manner

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

Necrinomicron is a powerful book to my understanding. H.P. Lovecraft is a gifted author of horror fiction. If there is a connection, I was unaware. I was operating on the assumption that Necrinomicron or however it's speeled goes a bit beyond fiction writing. Just as Ouija boards are something beyond a Monopoly game board.

 

[chcr]

If you don't see the BFD now, then thats because it shouldn't have been a BFD in the first place (when the bibles were 'banned'). If todays students are too lazy, inept, or ignorant to toss a book they do not agree with, then it's a very sad day in our society. We've finally been able to raise an entire generation of morons, and we seem to be proud of that.

I don't disagree, Gato. It just seemed such a trivial thing to make such a big fuss over.
A "generation of morons" overstates the case, I think.
First, I would guess that most of the students didn't see the BFD either, thought about it for the fifteen or so seconds it deserved and then voted. To be sure, there are plenty of morons to go around in any generation.
Second, back up twenty years or so and ask almost anyone of your (and my) fathers generation if they've raised a "generation of morons." I suspect you know what the answer would be.

Oh, and turn that damned shit down!

 

[Gato_Solo]

I don't disagree, Gato. It just seemed such a trivial thing to make such a big fuss over.
A "generation of morons" overstates the case, I think.
*snip*
Oh, and turn that damned shit down!

But the fuss was made. That's where the lack of critical thinking is clear. The Bible was not required reading for any class, nor was it forced upon the students. This whole shenanigan was done, not because somebody was offended, but because somebody might get offended. Big difference. This means that that 15:1 majority who voted the Bible out of the dorms thinks that the people who may be offended don't have the intelligence to throw out a book they don't need, or believe in, on top of all this. Is that a sign of diversity? No. Is this a sign of tolerance? HELL no. It's a sign of ignorance and lack of intelligence, hence the term moron. Not harsh enough, IMO.

BTW...I never got that statement from either parent. My folks liked my taste in music.

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

My folks liked my taste in music.

A scary enough thought in its own right.

 

[chcr]

A scary enough thought in its own right.

Just what I thought.

The part I don't (and can't) understand is why it was news anywhere but on that specific campus. Regardless of your opinion (and 95% of college students don't have enough life experience to wipe their own butt correctly IMO), Gato, the fuss about the fuss was made specifically because it was the bible they asked to have removed. No other reason.

 

[Gato_Solo]

Just what I thought.

The part I don't (and can't) understand is why it was news anywhere but on that specific campus. Regardless of your opinion (and 95% of college students don't have enough life experience to wipe their own butt correctly IMO), Gato, the fuss about the fuss was made specifically because it was the bible they asked to have removed. No other reason.

Gee, chcr, I remember when I was in college, and I was ridiculed for having a bible. Not that I actually read it that much, but I did have one. I can even remember satanic symbols being left on my 'magic' erase pad. You know what I did about that ignorant behavior? Nothing. Know why? Because responding to it would only embolden the main people behind the behavior. Isn't that what the college in Scotland just did? The fuss may be about the Bible, but, if one doesn't believe in the words written there, then one cannot be offended. Only a complete moron would place such value in a written medium they have no belief in. If that's the case, might as well remove everything from the library that isn't a reference book, and everything from the classroom environment that isn't proven fact.


Oh...BTW...Since you two comedians wanted to talk about my taste in music (Jazz, blues, classical, and early Motown), perhaps you can explain why your music was so much better?

 

[chcr]

Oh...BTW...Since you two comedians wanted to talk about my taste in music (Jazz, blues, classical, and early Motown), perhaps you can explain why your music was so much better?

It wasn't.

It just wasn't Lena Horne, Herb Albert or Al Hirt (not that I had anything against them, but my dad liked them), oh, or Mitch Miller (I think the only reason we were finally allowed to have a TV was so dad could watch "Sing Along With Mitch"). I liked Motown blues and jazz too. Dave Brubeck and Miles Davis were more my speed back then on the jazz front. Dad was a trumpet player (was playing with Gene Krupa when he met Mom), but I don't think he ever appreciated Miles. Of course I listened to a lot of rock and roll too. Didn't really start listening to classical until later and I still have to be in the mood for most of it. Dad died when I was 15, I like to think our tastes would have grown more together, but maybe not.

Oh, and I find it interesting that you were bugged about having a bible at school. At Cornell (and there are a lot of Jews at Cornell) it never seemed to come up, but maybe I just didn't pay attention. Of course that was a few years before you were in college, but not that many.

 

[freako104]

Necrinomicron is a powerful book to my understanding. H.P. Lovecraft is a gifted author of horror fiction. If there is a connection, I was unaware. I was operating on the assumption that Necrinomicron or however it's speeled goes a bit beyond fiction writing. Just as Ouija boards are something beyond a Monopoly game board.

Necronomicon was written as a separate thing by Lovecraft himself.

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

Oh...BTW...Since you two comedians wanted to talk about my taste in music (Jazz, blues, classical, and early Motown), perhaps you can explain why your music was so much better?

General rule of thumb for my generation: If your mom liked what you were listening to, it was time to move on. I can say that my folks never really got into the 80s metal revival. That was part of the fun. Dee Snider (Twisted Sister) was a lot more fun because your folks hated him. Let the folks listen to Air Supply; gimme some W.A.S.P. any day!

 

[Gato_Solo]

General rule of thumb for my generation: If your mom liked what you were listening to, it was time to move on. I can say that my folks never really got into the 80s metal revival. That was part of the fun. Dee Snider (Twisted Sister) was a lot more fun because your folks hated him. Let the folks listen to Air Supply; gimme some W.A.S.P. any day!

Sorry...but, without Blues and Jazz, none of that stuff would exist.

 

[freako104]

Sorry...but, without Blues and Jazz, none of that stuff would exist.

oh sure. just cause they are the reason it exsits you have to rub it in





and without classical and some of the medevel music there wouldnt be anytoday

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

Sorry...but, without Blues and Jazz, none of that stuff would exist.

Nobody is denying it. If there had been no blues, Led Zeppelin would have just been four drunks. I like me some blues, both contemporary and traditional. John Lee Hooker is a must for any CD collection, and the day B. B. King dies, we lose one of our greatest living treasures.

Still, if your mom likes it, it ain't rock and roll.

 

[Gonz]

In a related matter...

If you're scheduled for surgery in New Brunswick, Canada, bring your own Bible if you need a source of comfort – one hospital has removed copies of the Good Book from patients' bedside tables in order to control infection.

"We have disinfection processes to disinfect other surfaces, but we don't have anything to disinfect books," Jane Stafford, a spokeswoman for the River Valley Health Authority, which operates the Dr. Everett Chalmers Regional Hospital, explained to Canada's CBC News.

I bet the new infection rate drops a whole percentage point. Maybe two

Anybody sensing a pattern?


WND

 

[Gato_Solo]

In a related matter...



I bet the new infection rate drops a whole percentage point. Maybe two

Anybody sensing a pattern?


WND

Makes sense to me, actually. There are really only two ways to disinfect something completely. Autoclave the f*ck out of it (steam under pressure), which would turn any book to pulp, or a good dousing of any of the umpteen billion disinfectant cleaning liquids out there...see prior result. Now if they replace the reading material with new stuff with every patient, the chances of contamination would drop by a huge amount. The only problem is that I've never been to a doctors office, or a hospital, with reading material published after 2001...

 

[Gonz]

How many cases of hemorrhagic fever can be traced to Gideons? Hell, how many cases of chickenpox? I doubt, given the non-sterile setting of a hospital, it's too many.