Kerry was a war hero

Gonz

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I think the Dems forgot they hated that war & anything or anybody that had a thing to do with it.

Well, a few of Kerry's boat mates remember him & only 2 support hid bid.

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Gonz

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On the defensive for filming himself during the Vietnam war, John Kerry once told a reporter he had "no intention" of using the footage for campaign purposes, but some of it will be featured tonight in a video of introduction before his Democratic presidential nomination acceptance speech.

WND
 

HomeLAN

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Anyone else wonder exactly why Kerry is riding the issue of his Vietnam service so hard? Could it be that he has nothing to point to in his senate record supporting the defense of this country? Big fat zero on defense bills?

Doesn't that scare any of his supporters? Or are those folks so out of touch with reality that they don't think it matters?
 

Gonz

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A thrice awarded recipient of the Purple Heart for his service in Vietnam.

Since they now have Iraq in which to lay all the complaints of Vietnam, his admissions of illegal activities while in Vietnam can now be transfered to Specialist Sabrina Harman while he touts his status as a hero.
 

Sharky

New Member
It just scares the hell out of me that this EMPTY SUIT actually stands a chance of winning the election. God help us.
 

Shadowfax

<b>mod cow</b>
yeah, i must say i don't envy the americans. once again it seems to turn into a "lesser of two evils" kinda choice, during the elections.

edit: makes you wonder....i'm pretty sure there are a crap load of intelligent people in the US who could do the job a lot better than either Kerry or Bush. have the elections really turned into something any moron can buy?
 

catocom

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Shadowfax said:
yeah, i must say i don't envy the americans. once again it seems to turn into a "lesser of two evils" kinda choice, during the elections.

edit: makes you wonder....i'm pretty sure there are a crap load of intelligent people in the US who could do the job a lot better than either Kerry or Bush. have the elections really turned into something any moron can buy?

Not unless your a rep, or a dem, it seems. :(
 

Gonz

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The elections aren't for sale, per se. Right now the Democrats have decided that, instead of relying on their message & ideology to Kerry the day (sorry), they'd find the closest they have to GW & attempt to win using the Republican messgae of strength.

Just imagine what is going through the minds of the liberal Dems. They are asked to support a Veteran, a self proclaimed hero, of a war they hated as much as they hate Iraq. He came home & joined their side, deriding the American way of life, hanging out with Hanoi Jane at rallies which produced home-grown terrorists. A man who, take away the politics, is the enemy. His mother was a Forbes. His wife is the billionaire widow of a Republican Senator. He is the rich. So rich that, no matter the tax situation, he (they) could quit work & never pay another dime in tax. So could his children & hers as well as several generations to follow. Why? Because we don't tax wealth. That's what the rich Democrats fail to mention. They tax income.

He is another Yalie. The difference is he attended & graduated. Bush attended, graduated & went on to Harvard to get his MBA. Not too shabby for an imbecile.

There is a clear choice. One wants to take & one wants you to keep what is already yours. This election is not about the lesser of two evils. It's about ideology.
 

Shadowfax

<b>mod cow</b>
Gonz said:
The elections aren't for sale, per se. Right now the Democrats have decided that, instead of relying on their message & ideology to Kerry the day (sorry), they'd find the closest they have to GW & attempt to win using the Republican messgae of strength.

that exactly is what makes me wonder....aren't there any other candidates that would be able to compete with Bush? Same on the other side...is Bush really the best candidate the Republicans have?

Just imagine what is going through the minds of the liberal Dems. They are asked to support a Veteran, a self proclaimed hero, of a war they hated as much as they hate Iraq.


that's one of the things i really don't like about Kerry. being a (self-claimed) war hero hasn't much to do with politics, does it? of course it helps you to gain popularity, but it doesn't tell people whether you're good at governing a huge country. and unfortunately, that's what a lot of people tend to forget, that that's the thing that really matters.

He is another Yalie. The difference is he attended & graduated. Bush attended, graduated & went on to Harvard to get his MBA. Not too shabby for an imbecile.

graduating from Yale or Harvard shows you've got brains. i'm pretty sure most people will agree on that. but it doesn't mean, per se, that you're able to govern a huge country as the US. i really have my doubts about Kerry, as well as Bush. of course Bush has been trying to show he's up for the job, the last few years. but (and that's my opinion) there are a lot of points that he could have done a lot better.
as well, in my opinion, he doesn't deserve serving another term, looking back on his job he's done so far.
but that brings me back to the point that i'm surprised there aren't any other experienced politicians that are running for presidency.[/QUOTE]
 

Gonz

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Bush has said he's do "X" & has done much of it. Seems more than most (much of it I opposed) but that could be wrong. He's the sitting Republican President & therefor isn't challenged by Republicans. The Dems should have gone with Howard Dean. He's their man. He is what the Democrat Party espouses. He is also an unapologetic liberal & Americans don't like liberals. They will buy into "I'm a moderate" BS (read: Clinton) but we will not vote for unabashed liberal policy makers. Especially now, with the war on.

The truly experienced politicians aren't making a run for a few reasons...mostly because Bush is a war-time President & that is a natural edge.
 
Re: Kerry's 'Band of Very Few Brothers'

Gonz said:
.... his admissions of illegal activities while in Vietnam can now be transfered to Specialist Sabrina Harman while he touts his status as a hero.

KERRY: "They (U.S. military men) personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside in Vietnam."


Swift Boat Veterans: 'Cease and Desist'

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has stepped up its efforts to get Kerry to stop a different photo exploitation.
Eleven of the 20 Vietnam War veterans included in a 1969 photo the Democrat candidate is using demand in a letter sent to the campaign that Kerry "cease and desist from all uses" of the picture.

"By letters delivered to the campaign on May 17 and on May 4, 2004, their objections to the use of the photograph in his campaign and their belief that he is unfit to serve as the Commander-in-Chief were made very clear. In fact, as has long been evident to Senator Kerry, all of these gentlemen have felt anything but comradeship with him at any time since his slanderous testimony before Congress in 1971 and other pronouncements that he and they committed war crimes and atrocities," says the latest letter, dated Wednesday.

As in the case from Corpus Christi, "no prior consent was sought or obtained from any of these eleven boat officers before the release by Mr. Kerry or his associates of that photograph to Newsweek, or later to those who crafted his Lifetime ad, a calculated invasion of their privacy rights for personal political gain. None of these officers, at the time of the unauthorized release or any subsequent use of the photograph by the campaign of their images were public figures, as that term is understood within the law. We all know of the aspiring politician who seeks to be photographed with whomever they think is the 'Great One' of the time. In this case Mr. Kerry has reversed the ploy to suggest a favorable relationship different than the truth. In no way do these gentlemen seek any limelight not now required by the Senator's distortion of the past and his wrongful claim to the American public that these men are his band of brothers."
 

Thulsa Doom

New Member
HomeLAN said:
Anyone else wonder exactly why Kerry is riding the issue of his Vietnam service so hard?

well qite obviously because they know they now have an actual democrat with better military background then the flag waving trumpet blowing republican candidates. Kerry has the best of both worlds. He was a Vietnam hero and a vet BY CHOICE AND he had a huge public declaration of disaproval once he got home and realized what a sham the war was. And the majority of this country was against the vietnam war. So hes got the best of both worlds there. On top of that, unlike Clinton, he can run effectively against a president and a vice president that despite being republicans did their darndest to avoid any kind of real military service in Vietnam. His base is already with him. the war talk doesnt bother them. The undecideds are considerably more conservative. And you ask why hes doing this?

Sharky said:
It just scares the hell out of me that this EMPTY SUIT actually stands a chance of winning the election. God help us.

Bush already won the election kinda sorta.

Hey, just an aside, Ive been seeing more and more of those REPUBLICANS FOR KERRY bumperstickers around lately. Wow. Are those for real or are those like a democratic ploy? If it is its a fantastic ploy. They are getting popular. And I bet they are having a real effect with the wavering few.
 
ELECTION 2004
Kerry honored at communist museum
Photograph hangs in section devoted to war protesters

Posted: June 1, 2004
12:14 p.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

A Ho Chi Minh City museum that honors Vietnam war protesters features a photograph of Sen. John Kerry being greeted by the general secretary of the Communist Party, Comrade Do Muoi.

"The Vietnamese communists clearly recognize John Kerry's contributions to their victory," he said. "This find can be compared to the discovery of a painting of Neville Chamberlain hanging in a place of honor in Hitler's Eagle's Nest in 1945."

Epstein's group says the exhibit refutes Kerry's insistance his anti-war protests did not render support to the enemy in time of war.

"The Vietnamese communists clearly feel that the American anti-war protesters were a very important force in undermining support in the United States for American war efforts, a force that contributed materially to ultimate communist victory in 1975," the group said in a statement.
 

Gato_Solo

Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Word to the wise...

Vote your conscience, not your party. If everybody did this, then we wouldn't have a problem. Also...there is no such thing as a wasted vote Voting even for a candidate who can't possibly win ( :rolleyes: ) is better than not voting at all. If everybody who decided not to vote got out and wrote in the same candidate, who do you think would win the election?
 
Commander-in-Chief Test:

1) You are the duty officer in Honolulu, December 7, 1941. Two soldiers manning the newly invented radar call to report a lot of blips on the screen. Headquarters had already advised you to expect a flight of American bombers from California that morning. So, do you sound the alarm to the fleet? Do you scramble the fighter planes and hope Rear Admiral Kimmel and General Short don't yell at you if you're wrong, or [do you] tell the radar guys their shift is ending anyway and not to worry about it?

If you're John Kerry manning the radar, what do you do?

2) You are Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1939. You've received a letter from the famous quirky physicist Albert Einstein recommending building an atomic bomb in order to beat the Nazis to the punch. Not really knowing what an atomic bomb is and not yet at war, do you ask Congress to study the matter and ask your intelligence operation to confirm if the Nazis are building one of these weapons themselves, or do you order secret development with money skimmed from other projects and hidden through phony congressional appropriations? Do you do the Manhattan Project?

What do you do if you are John Kerry? You can't call the U.N. At this point, it's the defunct League of Nations anyway.

3)You are Admiral Nimitz in 1942. Navy intelligence intercepted coded messages they reveal shows Japanese plans to steal the American island of Midway, but they also tell you Japanese could be planning attacks elsewhere. You know that banking on Midway would leave the door open elsewhere. Do you risk your aircraft carriers that escaped the Pearl Harbor attack, perhaps leaving no U.S. Fleet in the Pacific, or do you try catching the Imperial Fleet with the kimono open and reverse the course of the war at Midway?

What do you do if you're John Kerry? You can't call the United Nations. You can't call the French.

4) You are Dwight Eisenhower in June of 1944. Your weatherman tells you he sees a break in the bad weather and a narrow window for your landing forces to get on the beaches of Normandy. You hope, but you can't confirm, that allied disinformation has convinced Hitler the real invasion will be north. Do you risk a quarter million troops and the possibility of a stalemate in Europe, or do you say, 'Let's go,' rather than wait another month or two for D Day? (Remember, you can't call the United Nations.)

What do you do if you're John Kerry? Remember, there's no turning back.

5) You are Eisenhower in December 1944. Intelligence says the Germans are on the run. They're low on gasoline and ammo. The men deserve a break, and many officers want to leave for Christmas in Paris. How can the Germans possibly break through that dense forest? and knowing what we know from test question one, the Germans don't like to fight on Christmas. Do you ignore the intelligence and figure that Hitler will try to catch you with your pants down and inflict on the American Army its worst-ever disaster?

What do you do faced with the Battle of the Bulge if you are John Kerry?

6) You are Harry Truman in August of 1945. FDR's atomic bomb recommended by Einstein is tested successfully, and you have two more of bombs ready to use. The scientists who build the bomb are opposing its use. Intelligence reports suggest the Japanese are starving and on their last legs ready to talk turkey. American bombers are already turning many Japanese cities into cinders. Do you secretly advise the Japanese they can surrender now before you drop the bomb, or do you drop the bomb and ask questions later?

What do you do if you're John Kerry?

You are President Bush in early 2003, just months after September 11 and anthrax. The Clinton administration had indicted Osama bin Laden, citing ties to Saddam Hussein, and had bombed a suspected bioweapons plant in Sudan with ties to Iraq. ...

Intelligence suggests that terrorists met with others in Prague. U.N. weapons inspectors are being frustrated in Iraq. British intelligence says Saddam was trying to buy uranium in Africa. Saddam invaded Kuwait a decade before. He had used chemical weapons on his own people. One of the perpetrators of the first World Trade Center bombing had taken refuge in Baghdad. Families of Palestinian suicide bombers were paid by Iraq. The CIA director – originally appointed by Clinton – tells you it's a "slam dunk" that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction.

The French are opposed to war with Iraq, saying their intelligence service believes Iraq still has weapons of mass destruction. Russian President Putin, [also] opposed to war with Iraq, tells you Russian intelligence believes Iraq has plans for terror assaults in the U.S. Most of the CIA contacts in Iraq are murdered.

Do you wait to get more spies in the country to confirm the other intelligence, or do you go to Congress for a resolution supporting the use of force and then use the force?

What would you do if you are John Kerry?

newsmax.com
 

Gonz

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Luis, still trying to backstab our Commander in Chief with lies & innuendo that has been shown to be false? At least find something new & exciting.
 

Luis G

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Gonz, as I stated before, I don't know if the article speaks truth or lies (somewhere between I guess) 'cause I didn't hear nor read anything further on that subject.

If you had proof of it being false why didn't you post it?
 
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