Marriage: RITE or RIGHT?

[spike]

So, I have four answers but no links wiuth hard evidence as to a same-sex marriage...key word italicized.

"Various types of same-sex marriages have existed,[41] ranging from informal, unsanctioned relationships to highly ritualized unions.[42]

In the southern Chinese province of Fujian, through the Ming dynasty period, females would bind themselves in contracts to younger females in elaborate ceremonies.[43] Males also entered similar arrangements. This type of arrangement was also similar in ancient European history.[44]

The first recorded mention of the performance of same-sex marriages occurred during the early Roman Empire.[45] These same sex marriages were solemnized with the same ceremonies and customs which were used for heterosexual marriages.[46] Cicero mentions the marriage (using the Latin verb for "to marry", i.e. nubere) of the son of Curio the Elder in a casual manner as if it was commonplace. Cicero states that the younger Curio was "united in a stable and permanent marriage" to Antonius.[47] Martial also mentions a number of gay marriages.[48] By Juvenal's time, gay marriages seem to have become commonplace as he mentions attending gay marriages as if there were "nothing special.".[49] These gay marriages continued until Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire. A law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) was issued in 342 AD by the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans. This law prohibited same-sex marriage in ancient Rome and ordered that those who were so married were to be executed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_same-sex_marriage#Before_1970

 

[catocom]

People pray in school all the time. You're just supposed to keep it to yourself. Any others?

Like I said....
If you keep it to yourself, then it's not prayer.
Not to say you can't have silent prayer, but it's still limitation of freedom.

You also can't have a nativity scene on public property anymore in many places.

It doesn't matter what You think.
That's my perception, and that's all that counts.

If I speak it, it's true!

See I can be just like Obama, and Pelosi and them.

 

[Gotholic]

Roughly 3000BC. Mesopotamia

Gonz said the first same-sex marriage, not relationship.

 

[Winky]

There is no such thing as fag marriage.

Hey I’m all for incomprehensible posts and thread drift but Jeez folks
Biff and Steve can’t get married OK?

 

[spike]

Sure they can soon. So can Kathy and Nancy.

 

[Winky]

Marriage is both a RITE & RIGHT that don't make it wrong

mebbe in your Utopian fantasy

but not in the real world

When I got married 25 years ago

I got married before the State and
the eyes of of God (ya know a Church?)
and when my Son was born
20 months later he was not a bastard!

You bass-turds!

 

[spike]

Re: Marriage is both a RITE & RIGHT that don't make it wrong

mebbe in your Utopian fantasy

but not in the real world

Oh yes, in the real world. Since prop 8 was overturned in the real world.

 

[Winky]

Kill all he fags

In the real world less than ten percent is homosexual
and the majority of straight people think marriage
is between a man and a woman.

Some homosexual judge thought he could overturn
the will of seven million voters.

But perhaps you are right, activist judges overturned
prop 187 in a state where the majority of the people
are of Hispanic descent it passed and another activist
judge overturned the will of the people.

AZ Bill 1070 may suffer the same fate.

A blind man could spot the trend here.
Those Democrats are un-American.

 

[valkyrie]

Oh Geez Val, it wasn't one of those life changing moments. I've always been emotionally OK with it, shit happens deal with it.

I'm not the one you have to convince because events in your life do not affect me, they affect you.

 

[valkyrie]

Like I said....
If you keep it to yourself, then it's not prayer.
Not to say you can't have silent prayer, but it's still limitation of freedom.

You also can't have a nativity scene on public property anymore in many places.

It doesn't matter what You think.
That's my perception, and that's all that counts.

If I speak it, it's true!
<snip>

It's true to you and for you, but not necessarily for others.

There are Christian student organizations in public schools that meet for prayers before and/or after school (or during lunch). The school recognizes the club just like any other student club on campus. If the school forces a prayer on students then it is no longer a public school.

 

[spike]

Re: Kill all he fags

and the majority of straight people think marriage
is between a man and a woman.

It's pretty even actually.
http://pollingreport.com/civil.htm

Some homosexual judge thought he could overturn
the will of seven million voters.

Right, it's unconstitutional to vote away other's freedom.

But perhaps you are right, activist judges overturned
prop 187 in a state where the majority of the people
are of Hispanic descent

Wrong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California

AZ Bill 1070 may suffer the same fate.

For freedom's sake let's hope so.

the will of the people.

You mean like the laws regarding minors and abortions that you complain about that has been voted on 3 times?

A blind man could spot the trend here.
Those Democrats are un-American.

No, the Republicans are anti-freedom an un-American. Luckily we can check them when they go too far.

 

[catocom]

how is someone saying a prayer out loud, forcing anything,
as long as it isn't directly interrupting the teacher speaking?

 

[spike]

I would find it annoying. Keep it to yourself.

 

[catocom]

more intolerance?

You seem upset today about something.

 

[spike]

Intolorance? Shit no.

People are in school to learn. It's rude to interrupt with your praying.

 

[valkyrie]

how is someone saying a prayer out loud, forcing anything,
as long as it isn't directly interrupting the teacher speaking?

I'm not sure if you're directing this at me, but let me clarify in case it is.

It's not forcing anything, as long as it's not the school official leading the prayer and it's not class time set aside for this or any other religious gesture or observance of worship. Like I said, Christian (as well as other religious organizations) student clubs are all over. They do not interrupt class time to say their prayers, they do this outside of the designated class time.

 

[catocom]

it doesn't have to be in class, interupting...
it isn't permitted anywhere other than a designated area, ans a designated time.
That ain't freedom.

What's wrong with um wanting to pray, in the hall, at their locker, in the bathroom, or anywhere between classes?

Intolerance, that's what.

 

[valkyrie]

it doesn't have to be in class, interupting...
it isn't permitted anywhere other than a designated area, ans a designated time.
That ain't freedom.

What's wrong with um wanting to pray, in the hall, at their locker, in the bathroom, or anywhere between classes?

Intolerance, that's what.

There is nothing wrong with praying in any of those places you mention so long as it does not interrupt class or is say, in the library or during study hall where silence is expected.

Why do you think that it is not allowed?

 

[spike]

Students have the right to pray individually or in groups or to discuss their religious views with their peers so long as they are not disruptive.

http://www2.ed.gov/Speeches/04-1995/prayer.html#1

 

[catocom]

There is nothing wrong with praying in any of those places you mention so long as it does not interrupt class or is say, in the library or during study hall where silence is expected.

Why do you think that it is not allowed?

because they've said so.

Check your local school and see.