New Orleans goes 3rd-world, rest of country business as usual?

JJR512

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I've been reading the reports on news websites and what's been posted here. I understand that New Orleans has basically turned into a 3rd-world-country type of situation, in effect. There's chaos in the streets. The police and other authorities are cowering. People are dying.

But here in Maryland, everything is normal (aside from gas prices). I get up, go to work, do my job, go home, watch TV or play on the computer. Everything seems normal.

Part of the country is undergoing one of the worst, perhaps the worst, natural disaster and its aftermath, but nobody here at work is talking about it. Nobody is saying hey, that's a really bad situation down there. Nothing is different.

This seems like one of those things I'll be telling the grandkids about one day 40 years from now: "I remember the hurricane of oh-five..."

I don't know if I really have any particular point here. I'm just rambling, I suppose. It just seems bizarre to me that this is happening here and it doesn't even seem like it's that big of a deal.
 
I was watching Foxs presentation of As the Town Burns & it sent chills up my spine. Memories of the LA Riots.

They'd all better be damned happy I'm not in charge. There would be no more problem.
 
Unrest Intensifies at Superdome Shelter

NEW ORLEANS - Fights and trash fires broke out, rescue helicopters were shot at and anger mounted across New Orleans on Thursday, as National Guardsmen in armored vehicles poured in to help restore order across this increasingly desperate and lawless city.

"We are out here like pure animals. We don't have help," the Rev. Issac Clark, 68, said outside the New Orleans Convention Center, where corpses lay in the open and evacuees complained that they were dropped off and given nothing.

An additional 10,000 National Guardsman from across the country were ordered into the hurricane-ravaged Gulf Coast to shore up security, rescue and relief operations in Katrina's wake as looting, shootings, gunfire, carjackings spread and food and water ran out.

But some Federal Emergency Management rescue operations were suspended in areas where gunfire has broken out, Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said in Washington. "In areas where our employees have been determined to potentially be in danger, we have pulled back," he said.

"Hospitals are trying to evacuate," said Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan, spokesman at the city emergency operations center. "At every one of them, there are reports that as the helicopters come in people are shooting at them. There are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, "You better come get my family.

Police Capt. Ernie Demmo said a National Guard military policeman was shot in the leg as the two scuffled for the MP's rifle. The man was arrested.

"These are good people. These are just scared people," Demmo said.

The Superdome, where some 25,000 people were being evacuated by bus to the Houston Astrodome, descended into chaos.

Huge crowds, hoping to finally escape the stifling confines of the stadium, jammed the main concourse outside the dome, spilling out over the ramp to the Hyatt hotel next door — a seething sea of tense, unhappy, people packed shoulder-to-shoulder up to the barricades where heavily armed National Guardsmen stood.

Fights broke out. A fire erupted in a trash chute inside the dome, but a National Guard commander said it did not affect the evacuation. After a traffic jam kept buses from arriving at the Sueprdome for nearly four hours, a near riot broke out in the scramble to get on the buses that finally did show up.

Outside the Convention Center, the sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement. Thousands of storm refugees had been assembling outside for days, waiting for buses that did not come.

At least seven bodies were scattered outside, and hungry, desperate people who were tired of waiting broke through the steel doors to a food service entrance and began pushing out pallets of water and juice and whatever else they could find.

An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.

"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "I buried my dog." He added: "You can do everything for other countries but you can't do nothing for your own people. You can go overseas with the military but you can't get them down here."

Just above the convention center on Interstate 10, commercial buses were lined up, going nowhere. The street outside the center, above the floodwaters, smelled of urine and feces, and was choked with dirty diapers, old bottles and garbage.

"They've been teasing us with buses for four days," Edwards said.

People chanted, "Help, help!" as reporters and photographers walked through. The crowd got angry when journalists tried to photograph one of the bodies, and covered it over with a blanket. A woman, screaming, went on the front steps of the convention center and led the crowd in reciting the 23rd Psalm.

John Murray, 52, said: "It's like they're punishing us."

The first of hundreds of busloads of people evacuated from the Superdome arrived early Thursday at their new temporary home — another sports arena, the Houston Astrodome, 350 miles away.

But the ambulance service in charge of taking the sick and injured from the Superdome suspended flights after a shot was reported fired at a military helicopter. Richard Zuschlag, chief of Acadian Ambulance, said it had become too dangerous for his pilots.

The military, which was overseeing the removal of the able-bodied by buses, continued the ground evacuation without interruption, said National Guard Lt. Col. Pete Schneider. The government had no immediate confirmation of whether a military helicopter was fired on.

In Texas, the governor's office said Texas has agreed to take in an additional 25,000 refugees from Katrina and plans to house them in San Antonio, though exactly where has not been determined.

In Washington, the White House said President Bush will tour the devastated Gulf Coast region on Friday and has asked his father, former President George H.W. Bush, and former President Clinton to lead a private fund-raising campaign for victims.

The president urged a crackdown on the lawlessness.

"I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this — whether it be looting, or price gouging at the gasoline pump, or taking advantage of charitable giving or insurance fraud," Bush said. "And I've made that clear to our attorney general. The citizens ought to be working together."

On Wednesday, Mayor Ray Nagin offered the most startling estimate yet of the magnitude of the disaster: Asked how many people died in New Orleans, he said: "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands." The death toll has already reached at least 121 in Mississippi.

If the estimate proves correct, it would make Katrina the worst natural disaster in the United States since at least the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and fire, which was blamed for anywhere from about 500 to 6,000 deaths. Katrina would also be the nation's deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed between 6,000 and 12,000 people.

Nagin called for a total evacuation of New Orleans, saying the city had become uninhabitable for the 50,000 to 100,000 who remained behind after the city of nearly a half-million people was ordered cleared out over the weekend, before Katrina blasted the Gulf Coast with 145-mph winds.

The mayor said that it will be two or three months before the city is functioning again and that people would not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two.

"We need an effort of 9-11 proportions," former New Orleans Mayor Marc Morial, now president of the Urban League, said on NBC's "Today" show. "So many of the people who did not evacuate, could not evacuate for whatever reason. They are people who are African-American mostly but not completely, and people who were of little or limited economic means. They are the folks, we've got to get them out of there."

"A great American city is fighting for its life," he added. "We must rebuild New Orleans, the city that gave us jazz, and music, and multiculturalism."

With New Orleans sinking deeper into desperation, Nagin ordered virtually the entire police force to abandon search-and-rescue efforts Wednesday and stop the increasingly brazen thieves.

"They are starting to get closer to heavily populated areas — hotels, hospitals, and we're going to stop it right now," Nagin said.

In a sign of growing lawlessness, Tenet HealthCare Corp. asked authorities late Wednesday to help evacuate a fully functioning hospital in Gretna after a supply truck carrying food, water and medical supplies was held up at gunpoint.

The floodwaters streamed into the city's streets from two levee breaks near Lake Pontchartrain a day after New Orleans thought it had escaped catastrophic damage from Katrina. The floodwaters covered 80 percent of the city, in some areas 20 feet deep, in a reddish-brown soup of sewage, gasoline and garbage.

The Army Corps of Engineers said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook helicopters to drop 15,000-pound bags of sand and stone into a 500-foot gap in the failed floodwall.

But the agency said it was having trouble getting the sandbags and dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because the city's waterways were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris.

Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu toured the stricken areas said said rescued people begged him to pass information to their families. His pocket was full of scraps of paper on which he had scribbled down their phone numbers.

When he got a working phone in the early morning hours Thursday, he contacted a woman whose father had been rescued and told her: "Your daddy's alive, and he said to tell you he loves you."

"She just started crying. She said, `I thought he was dead,'" he said.

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I was waiting for it, and there it is. Someone had to pull a race card somewhere. Next it'll be that there's no rush to support them, coz it's just a bunch of blacks.


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and you wonder why the shit is hitting the fan, with cops like these.

'Times-Picayune' Announces New Home -- in Houma -- and Reports Looting by Cops and Firemen

By E&P Staff

Published: August 30, 2005 6:25 PM ET

NEW YORK The battered Times-Picayune of New Orleans, which evacuated its downtown office this afternoon, posted a simple note to it staffers on its Web site late this afternoon: "We are working at the Houma Courier for a few days. If you have news, call 985-850-1182. We plan to set up a longer term newsroom in Baton Rouge. Call the Advocate to find out where we are."

Meanwhile, two staffers published a story on one of the Web site's blogs, reporting on the looting in the city -- joined in by cops and firemen who had been called to the scene.

Other reports, and TV footage, have shown brazen looting at many sites around the city. One compared the current climate in the increasingly desperate city to "Sodom and Gomorrah."


One looter shot a local police officer, but Tuesday night word came that the officer was expected to survive.

At the Times-Picayune Web site, Mike Perlstein and Brian Thevenot wrote that at a Wal-Mart on Tchoupitoulas Street, mass looting broke out after a giveaway of supplies was announced at that location. While some did indeed carry away food and essentials, others "cleared out jewelry racks and carted out computers, TVs, and appliances on handtrucks. Some officers joined in taking whatever they could, including one New Orleans cop who loaded a shopping cart with a compact computer and a 27-inch flat screen television.

"Throughout the store and parking lot, looters pushed carts and loaded trucks and vans alongside officers. One man said police directed him to Wal-Mart from Robert's Grocery, where a similar scene was taking place. A crowd in the electronics section said one officer broke the glass DVD case so people wouldn't cut themselves.

"The police got all the best stuff. They're crookeder than us," one man said. Most officers, though, simply stood by powerless against the tide of law breakers.

One veteran officer said, "It's like this everywhere in the city. This tiny number of cops can't do anything about this. It's wide open."

Some groups, the reporters wrote, "organized themselves into assembly lines to more efficiently cart off goods. Inside the store, one woman was stocking up on make-up. She said she took comfort in watching police load up their own carts. 'It must be legal,' she said. 'The police are here taking stuff, too.'"
 
Re: Unrest Intensifies at Superdome Shelter

It went political on Sunday night, before she even made landfall. Chuck Schumer (sic?) from NY.

It's all downhill from there.

The big question: For 40 or so years, there have been warnings that the levees would only withstand a Cat3 storm & that was questionable. For 40 or so years people have known that New Orleans was sinking. For 40 or so years nothing was done.

Why not?
 
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Gonz said:
The big question: For 40 or so years, there have been warnings that the levees would only withstand a Cat3 storm & that was questionable. For 40 or so years people have known that New Orleans was sinking. For 40 or so years nothing was done.

Why not?

Dunno.

But I bet their more desirable neighborhoods had curbed sidewalks and real nice landscaping at the sign denoting entrance into their neighborhood...

Priorities. Out of whack. This event will not change that.
 
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Gonz said:
It went political on Sunday night, before she even made landfall. Chuck Schumer (sic?) from NY.

It's all downhill from there.

The big question: For 40 or so years, there have been warnings that the levees would only withstand a Cat3 storm & that was questionable. For 40 or so years people have known that New Orleans was sinking. For 40 or so years nothing was done.

Why not?


cause it hadn't failed yet.

:confused:
 
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Gonz said:
It went political on Sunday night, before she even made landfall. Chuck Schumer (sic?) from NY.

It's all downhill from there.

The big question: For 40 or so years, there have been warnings that the levees would only withstand a Cat3 storm & that was questionable. For 40 or so years people have known that New Orleans was sinking. For 40 or so years nothing was done.

Why not?

For the same reason you want more oil instead of looking at alternatives, ya dumbass. They couldn't see beyond themselves.
 
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I want more refineries. We have plenty of oil.

I also want alternatives. I just don't want to be taxed into them & as has been pointed out, repeatedly, government has never discovered anything.
 
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Gonz said:
I want more refineries. We have plenty of oil.

I also want alternatives. I just don't want to be taxed into them & as has been pointed out, repeatedly, government has never discovered anything.

If the gov't hadn't taxed people into it, they never would have gotten to the moon either. If you get more refineries, noone has any incentive to develop your alternatives.

similarly, so long at the levees held, noone had any incentive to get their dumbasses about sealevel.
 
"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "I buried my dog." He added: "You can do everything for other countries but you can't do nothing for your own people. You can go overseas with the military but you can't get them down here."

He fails to realize that Ethiopians don't shoot at US Military helpcopters pulling people to safety. Rwandans don't have a SuperDome in which to congregate & mass for the exodus. Ecuadorans are on their own, for days if not weeks, while the world puts together aid packages & arrives. Laotians don't burn their neighborhoods down. They get off their ass & leave or they die.

The police & the Nat'l Guard was on site immediately. People needing help are getting it until the good samaritans are threatened with death.


[edited to remove references to the brutal & nasty little Laotians ;)
 
Gonz said:
Laotians don't burn their neighborhoods down. They get off their ass & leave or they die.


Yer right. SOME come burn our neighborhoods down. They get off their asses and die in Laotian gangs, which rank among the most brutal in America. I know. I've supervised three of them, and initiated the effort to deport their assaultive, raping, dope dealing asses. Laos does not have an extradition treaty with the US (or didn't at the time at least), so as far as I know they continue to rot in an INS detainment facility in...




drum roll please.....





Louisiana.

Gonz said:
People needing help are getting it until the good samaritans are threatened with death.

As far as I have been able to learn, I cannot disagree with this portion of your statement.
 
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Professur said:
If the gov't hadn't taxed people into it, they never would have gotten to the moon either.

JFK said:
To be sure, all this costs us all a good deal of money. This year's space budget is three times what it was in January 1961, and it is greater than the space budget of the previous eight years combined. That budget now stands at $5,400 million a year--a staggering sum, though somewhat less than we pay for cigarettes and cigars every year. Space expenditures will soon rise some more, from 40 cents per person per week to more than 50 cents a week for every man, woman and child in the United States, for we have given this program a high national priority--even though I realize that this is in some measure an act of faith and vision, for we do not now know what benefits await us. But if I were to say, my fellow citizens, that we shall send to the moon, 240,000 miles away from the control station in Houston, a giant rocket more than 300 feet tall, the length of this football field, made of new metal alloys, some of which have not yet been invented, capable of standing heat and stresses several times more than have ever been experienced, fitted together with a precision better than the finest watch, carrying all the equipment needed for propulsion, guidance, control, communications, food and survival, on an untried mission, to an unknown celestial body, and then return it safely to earth, re-entering the atmosphere at speeds of over 25,000 miles per hour, causing heat about half that of the temperature of the sun--almost as hot as it is here today--and do all this, and do it right, and do it first before this decade is out--then we must be bold.

Every man woman & child has benefitted from space exploration. The same cannot be said for taxing Chevy Suburbans.
 
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Gonz said:
Every man woman & child has benefitted from space exploration. The same cannot be said for taxing Chevy Suburbans.


Really? Then who paid for the interstate system?
 
Gonz said:
He fails to realize that Ethiopians don't shoot at US Military helpcopters pulling people to safety. Rwandans don't have a SuperDome in which to congregate & mass for the exodus. Ecuadorans are on their own, for days if not weeks, while the world puts together aid packages & arrives. The Japanese don't burn their neighborhoods down. They get off their ass & leave or they die.

The police & the Nat'l Guard was on site immediately. People needing help are getting it until the good samaritans are threatened with death.

:D
 
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...causing heat about half that of the temperature of the sun--almost as hot as it is here today--
I like that joke he threw in there about how hot it was where ever he was.
 
JJR512 said:
I've been reading the reports on news websites and what's been posted here. I understand that New Orleans has basically turned into a 3rd-world-country type of situation, in effect. There's chaos in the streets. The police and other authorities are cowering. People are dying.

But here in Maryland, everything is normal (aside from gas prices). I get up, go to work, do my job, go home, watch TV or play on the computer. Everything seems normal.

Part of the country is undergoing one of the worst, perhaps the worst, natural disaster and its aftermath, but nobody here at work is talking about it. Nobody is saying hey, that's a really bad situation down there. Nothing is different.

This seems like one of those things I'll be telling the grandkids about one day 40 years from now: "I remember the hurricane of oh-five..."

I don't know if I really have any particular point here. I'm just rambling, I suppose. It just seems bizarre to me that this is happening here and it doesn't even seem like it's that big of a deal.


You know the same thing happened last month when London was bombed. I'm not sure for those of us who don't live there it just becomes another story. I wonder have we become so desensitzed that we just ignore anything that isn't happening to us directly. Damn shame if we have.

On a side note its nice to see how fragile civilization is.
 
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Professur said:
Really? Then who paid for the interstate system?

Gas taxes. Then the politicians got together & decided that they wanted more.
 
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