SouthernN'Proud
Southern Discomfort
Solar?
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paul_valaru
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we got hydro here
SouthernN'Proud
Southern Discomfort
Gonz said:
*checks to make sure*
Yep. They all feature a sun.
Gonz said:
Considering that we sell electricity to California, and that we can produce more electricity than we need, I'd say.....we're more efficient.
edit: we have only 1 power company, ran by goverment (CFE). There's another one but I believe it depends on the production of CFE.
SouthernN'Proud
Southern Discomfort
Gonz said:
And your degree in engineering is from what university again?
I'll admit it. I have zero idea how it works, how well it works, what the capacities for storing solar energy are, the collection methods...none of it. I know it is a potential source, that it is renewable, clean and ain't likely to run out anytime soon. Beyond that, I must defer to those with the specific knowledge.
If 8 3/4 hours is inadequate, then we take the dollars being sunk into oil perpetuation and rechannel them into making it adequate.
Oh....and the winter part of your equation? It isn't ambient heat being stored, it's solar energy. That much I do know.
List of hydroelectric plants in Mexico:
PHP:
name units operation startup date capacity (MW) localtion
(El Novillo) 3 12-Nov-1964 135 Soyopa, Sonora
Oviáchic 2 28-Ago-1957 19 Cajeme, Sonora
Mocúzari 1 03-Mar-1959 10 Álamos, Sonora
(El Fuerte) 3 27-Ago-1960 59 El Fuerte, Sinaloa
(Sanalona) 2 08-May-1963 14 Culiacán, Sinaloa
Humaya 2 27-Nov-1976 90 Badiraguato, Sinaloa
Bacurato 2 16-Jul-1987 92 Sinaloa de Leyva, Sinaloa
Raúl J. Marsal
(Comedero) 2 13-Ago-1991 100 Cosalá, Sinaloa
Luis Donaldo Colosio
(Huites) 2 15-Sep-1996 422 Choix, Sinaloa
Boquilla 4 01-Ene-1915 25 San Francisco Conchos, Chihuahua
Colina 1 01-Sep-1996 3 San Francisco Conchos, Chihuahua
La Amistad 2 01-May-1987 66 Acuña, Coahuila
Falcón 3 15-Nov-1954 32 Nueva Cd. Guerrero, Tamaulipas
Infiernillo 6 28-Ene-1965 1,000 La Unión, Guerrero
Villita 4 01-Sep-1973 280 Lázaro Cárdenas, Michoacán
Cupatitzio 2 14-Ago-1962 72 Uruapan, Michoacán
Cóbano 2 25-Abr-1955 52 Gabriel Zamora, Michoacán
Platanal 2 21-Oct-1954 9 Jacona, Michoacán
Botello 2 01-Ene-1910 13 Panindícuaro, Michoacán
Tirio 3 01-Ene-1905 1 Morelia, Michoacán
Bartolinas 2 20-Nov-1940 1 Tacámbaro, Michoacán
Itzícuaro 2 01-Ene-1929 1 Peribán los Reyes, Michoacán
Zumpimito 4 01-Oct-1944 6 Uruapan, Michoacán
San Pedro Porúas 2 01-Oct-1958 3 Villa Madero, Michoacán
Puente Grande 4 01-Ene-1912 17 Tonalá, Jalisco
Colimilla 4 01-Ene-1950 51 Tonalá, Jalisco
Luis M. Rojas
(Intermedia) 1 01-Ene-1963 5 Tonalá, Jalisco
Juntas 3 01-Ene-1923 15 Guadalajara, Jalisco
Manuel M. Diéguez
(Santa Rosa) 2 02-Sep-1964 61 Amatitlán, Jalisco
Jumatán 4 17-Jul-1941 2 Tepic, Nayarit
Valentín Gómez Farías
(Agua Prieta) 2 15-Sep-1993 240 Zapopan, Jalisco
Aguamilpa 3 15-Sep-1994 960 Tepic, Nayarit
Carlos Ramírez Ulloa
(El Caracol) 3 16-Dic-1986 600 Apaxtla, Guerrero
Ambrosio Figueroa
(La Venta) 5 31-May-1965 30 La Venta, Guerrero
Colotlipa 4 01-Ene-1910 8 Quechultenango, Guerrero
Portezuelos I 4 01-Ene-1901 2 Atlixco, Puebla
Portezuelos II 2 01-Ene-1908 1 Atlixco, Puebla
Fernando Hiriart Balderrama
(Zimapán) 2 27-Sep-1996 292 Zimapán, Hidalgo
Mazatepec 4 06-Jul-1962 220 Tlatlauquitepec, Puebla
Temascal 6 18-Jun-1959 354 San Miguel Soyaltepec, Oaxaca
Chilapan 4 01-Sep-1960 26 Catemaco, Veracruz
Camilo Arriaga
(El Salto) 2 26-Jul-1966 18 Cd. Maíz, San Luis Potosí
Encanto 2 19-Oct-1951 10 Tlapacoyan, Veracruz
Electroquímica 1 01-Oct-1952 1 Cd. Valles, San Luis Potosí
Micos 2 01-May-1945 1 Cd. Valles, San Luis Potosí
Minas 3 10-Mar-1951 15 Las Minas, Veracruz
Texolo 2 01-Nov-1951 2 Teocelo, Veracruz
Manuel Moreno Torres
(Chicoasén) 8 29-May-1981 2,400 Chicoasén, Chiapas
Malpaso 6 29-Ene-1969 1,080 Tecpatán, Chiapas
Belisario Domínguez (Angostura) 5 14-Jul-1976 900 Venustiano Carranza, Chiapas
Ángel Albino Corzo
(Peñitas) 4 15-Sep-1987 420 Ostuacán, Chiapas
José Cecilio del Valle
(El Retiro) 3 26-Abr-1967 21 Tapachula, Chiapas
Bombaná 4 20-Mar-1961 5 Soyaló, Chiapas
Tamazulapan 2 12-Dic-1962 2 Tamazulapan, Oaxaca
Schpoiná 3 07-May-1953 2 Venustiano Carranza, Chiapas
El Durazno (S.H. Miguel Alemán) 2 01-Oct-1955 0 Valle de Bravo, México
Ixtapantongo (S.H. Miguel Alemán) 3 29-Ago-1944 0 Valle de Bravo, México
Santa Bárbara (S.H. Miguel Alemán) 3 19-Oct-1950 0 Santo Tomás de los Plátanos, México
Tingambato (S.H. Miguel Alemán) 3 24-Sep-1957 0 Otzoloapan, México
Tepazolco 2 16-Abr-1953 0 Xochitlán, Puebla
Las Rosas 1 01-Ene-1949 0 Cadereyta, Querétaro
Tuxpango 4 01-Ene-1914 0 Ixtaczoquitlán, Veracruz
Huazuntlán 1 01-Ago-1968 0 Zoteapan, Veracruz
Ixtaczoquitlán 2 01-Ene-1902 0 Ixtaczoquitlán, Veracruz
SouthernN'Proud said:
My knowledge comes from living in AZ & hearing about Solar for most of my life.
The angle of the sun & the amount of time is insufficient for anybody above, about 38° except during midsummer. It's not terribly efficient since it's heating water but it's not likely to run out in time to hurt humans. It takes gross amounts of infrastructure to "store".
It's a desert solution, not an American one.
We need desalination plants along the coasts.
Professur
Well-Known Member
Gonz said:
There's that engineering degree at work. Yup, the only way to use the sun is to heat water. Duh!
Here's a thought, Gonz. Coils of black tube covering most of your roof. It preheats water, even during the winter. That water is then run through a heat exchanger. It then is used to provide hot water to the house. Water that usually needs little or no additional heat source to provide for showers, washing dishes, clothes, etc. How much electricity would that save? Enough, perhaps, over the size of a neighbourhood to take an entire oil generating plant offline. And it works, right here in Montreal, all winter long.
Solar cells. They work, better or worse, all year long. Added to the roof of homes, they'd supply how much power per neighbourhood? Enough to take another oil plant off line?
Solar doens't need to answer all the demand itself. Anymore than wind, hydro, or oil does. But you run the renewables up to full capacity before you engage the non-renewable ones. And instead of sinking more money into non-renewable, you put your R&D bucks into making the renewables better.
You want desalinisation plants? Not a problem. Build them in tandem with tidal generators. Two for one. Not to mention the power you need for the desalinisation is right there at your fingertips.
JJR512
New Member
In case anyone is confused by the numbers (I was at first)...
The Hoover Dam gernerates 4,000,000,000,000 watts. That's four billion kilowatts, or four million megawatts.
The Palo Verde nuclear plant generates 30,400,000,000,000 watts. That's 30.4 billion kilowatts, or 30.4 million megawatts.
The nuclear plant produces about 7.6 times as much power as the dam, but they're only serving about three times as many people.
The Hoover Dam gernerates 4,000,000,000,000 watts. That's four billion kilowatts, or four million megawatts.
The Palo Verde nuclear plant generates 30,400,000,000,000 watts. That's 30.4 billion kilowatts, or 30.4 million megawatts.
The nuclear plant produces about 7.6 times as much power as the dam, but they're only serving about three times as many people.
Ever go camping. Older solar cells might have been that weak. New ones are quite a bit more capable.