October Surprise

Truthfully, I'm not sure I'd support an attack on NK. They are hemmed in quite well & theri idiot leader is all talk.

Iran on the other hand, only if it would be as a push towars what has been preparing to fall anyway,

Syria & Saudi Arabia are #1 on my target list.
 
Gonz said:
Truthfully, I'm not sure I'd support an attack on NK. They are hemmed in quite well & theri idiot leader is all talk.

Iran on the other hand, only if it would be as a push towars what has been preparing to fall anyway,

Syria & Saudi Arabia are #1 on my target list.
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Iran is going down the gutter, might be true...but would it be wise to support them in doing so, instead of making sure they don't and so preventing a lot of problems to occur in the first place? a lot cheaper as well...

and of course, syria and SA; their support of terrorist actions is widely known. but what i am wondering about is, isn't there another way of preventing them to do so? making sure they have no trade partners, no money coming into their country by blocking all of their export and cutting off diplomatic ties...? i wonder what would happen if the world just isolates them from the world economy. crippling their economy is a very strong message towards their government.
 
All the US troops and equipment in Korea are there for one purpose, only. To slow North Korea's march until our real war-fighting material can be shipped in from Okinawa. Been there, done that, got the 'Chin Mok' festival T-shirt. I was there from 1993 - 1994, and the doctrine hasn't changed. Every base in SK is no more than a speed-bump. ;)
 
Nah
we are done launching unprovoked attacks for now.
We poor old Neo-Cons probably can't justify another invasion until another 2800 or so Americans are murdered.
But if the bad guys pull off something really spectacular
oh you know casualties in the tens of thousands then all bets are off. Problem with that is as long as GWB is in charge not only will the bad guys be on the run but the countries that could provide those nasty WMD won't be providin' them.

So to bad so sad Faxy
guess you could hope for Kerry in the Whitehouse
that would durn near be a 100% guarantee that the baddies
would strike, and we wouldn’t strike back!!!
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So before you get all whiney again. Just what is your position on this matter assuming you do have one. The US should take kicks in the nutz in stride as we have it coming because we are the evil doers? Hhmmmm?????
 
A nuclearly armed Iran with missiles able to hit Israel. Now OF course they'd never shoot the things at Israel and of course Israel would never launch their nukes and none of this could ever happen.

So Gato
Doncha agree that we'd win against NK lol
 
winky, you should post more often in the entertainment forum, your posts are too funny :D

nothing that can be taken seriously, that's for sure.
 
Winky said:
A nuclearly armed Iran with missiles able to hit Israel. Now OF course they'd never shoot the things at Israel and of course Israel would never launch their nukes and none of this could ever happen.

So Gato
Doncha agree that we'd win against NK lol
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I'd have to agree with SF here. Isreal would launch nukes, but it'd be kicking a dead horse. The first country (except the USA) to launch nukes would become a smoldering pile of ash shortly thereafter. PC or not PC...that's a statement of fact. Either they get nuked back to single-cell lifeforms and cockroaches by the USA, or someone else with the range will do it for them.

If it does come to nuclear warfare...I'll have to agree with Einstein.
"I don't know what weapons WWIII will be fought with, but I know WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones."
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Keeping that in mind...I think that a war against NK will be purely conventional. It'll begin after NK takes over SK (A matter of about 1 week or so). The 37k troops in SK will either die, be captured, or be ordered to retreat strategically to protect certain airports or ports. After that...it'd be a matter of how fast the newest coalition forces could respond and bring troops, ships, and planes into the battle theater. For ships...a few weeks, planes'd come faster..but not in large numbers because of the Carriers' speed and distance. Troops...ditto.

In the meanwhile, NK starts digging holes and moving troops and EQ.

Personally, I can see a coalition victory eventually...at a huge loss of life, both civilian and military. Wether Kim Jong-il sees a loss coming and decides to use a nuke at that point is another story entirely. A really sad one.
 
But Bish we have the air assets in theatre to decimate
all of their forces.
We might surprise you between our 37k and the South Korean forces.
Remember the Gulf wars?
 
Just on a side note. Nuke attacks against ships have never been all that effective. US Navy tests were staggeringly disappointing. The best results were an arial blast, which would kill most of the people, but still couldn't sink most ships beyond ground zero. (Can we still call it ground zero on the water?) Radiation protected areas like reactors and nuke weapons bays suffered nearly zero damage and zero immediate deaths. Which, needless to say, means that you've still got a functional weapon's platform, crewed with a bunch of guys who are gonna die fairly soon, and have nothing to lose. The N.K leader might be looney, but the guy standing behind him with the gun isn't.
 
Great point Prof.

Just like the Iraqi's
those folks in the NK armed forces know that
they don't have SUV's Super-Kmarts and broadband
Internet access with P-IV 3.6 Ghz Processors
BECAUSE of their 'dear leader'.

Why die in the war you are certainly going to lose when you can surrender and reap the whirlwind of bounty that re-unification will bring!


Always good for a laugh. Check out the links to the CIA Fact book. A real lesson of what the lefties in this country preach as "socialism" is such a screaming failure. It is so amazing how the South is always booming and the North SUCKS.
Hell them folks in the North would love to get MacDonald’s and Disneyland.
Mebbe we owe it to them to overthrow their Dear Leader and let another 22 million people breathe free?

North
vs
South
 
You guys have no idea of what is really going on in Asia right now.

Colin Powell is doing the “ol’ song and dance” getting ready for the preemptive strike.

Shoring up Asian governments so they will go along.

I bet you never saw this coming either . . .


Colin Powell sings Village People's 'YMCA'

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July 2, 2004, 3:32PM

JAKARTA, Indonesia-- U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell donned a hard hat and tucked a hammer in his belt today, performing a version of the Village People's hit "YMCA" at the conclusion of Asia's largest security meeting.

Tradition dictates that the meeting wrap up with a night of song and dance, provided by the diplomats themselves.

In 1997 Madeleine Albright, then secretary of state, bowled over the ministers when she performed a musical skit dressed as Evita Peron.

Today, Powell danced alongside five other U.S. officials sporting costumes that included an Indian headdress.

The group blasted out a version of the 1970s disco classic, to the delight of foreign ministers from across the Asia-Pacific and Europe.

"President Bush, he said to me: 'Colin, I need you to run the Department of State. We are between a rock and a hard place," Powell and his colleagues sang to the tune of the disco classic.

The after-dinner show is an annual highlight of the ASEAN Regional Forum, a time for ministers to loosen up after discussing security issues.

The event is closed to the press, but reporters regularly go out of their way to get the scoop.

The Russian delegation, headed by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, sang a version of the Beatles "Yellow Submarine" as a woman waving a Russian flag ran around the dinner tables.

Indian Foreign Minister Natwar Singh read a poem before his delegation burst into a song.


"I'm not worried -- but the audience should be," Singh said before attending the gala dinner.

Source
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I mean come on, do you think Colin Powell would do this if we weren’t getting ready slaughter somethin'?

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Didn't see that comin' did ya'?
 
Rudy for VP, move Condi to SoS, Rummy to Security Advisor then find a new SoD.
 
ResearchMonkey said:
You guys have no idea of what is really going on in Asia right now.
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lol, i've spent months and months watching the crap develop in asia. crossing border, travelling countries within asia. of course i have no clue about what is happening there.

but of course, if powell is supposedly acting like an ass, then i must be certain that war is inevitable.

is this american logic or something?
 
Shadowfax said:
lol, i've spent months and months watching the crap develop in asia. crossing border, travelling countries within asia. of course i have no clue about what is happening there.

but of course, if powell is supposedly acting like an ass, then i must be certain that war is inevitable.

is this american logic or something?
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Did you even read the article? Everybody did something, and always had. Get a grip, people...:rolleyes:
 
Gato_Solo said:
Did you even read the article? Everybody did something, and always had. Get a grip, people...:rolleyes:
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my bad, i didn't read it. i was just annoyed by RM's remark that "we have no idea what's really going on in asia"

you were right...
 
I'm just poking some fun; I don't really think we're going to strike NK anytime soon. (Very, very low probability anyway)

I’d bet ya' Kim Jong-il isn't quite so certain thoo.

He’s gonna’ be losing some sleep over this 'fluffing of feathers' display of the US Navy.

And I assure you: the scenario has been played out in Washington, more than once.

(godda' admit, Colin Powell doing a song-n-dance is purdy funny :D)
 
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