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Winky
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Winky
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By John Horvat II
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(passages emboldened by yours truly)
“Same-sex ‘marriage’ doesn’t hurt you personally, so why are you against it?” This is one of the most common pro-homosexual arguments – indeed almost a mantra repeated ad nauseam.
Of course, it’s not true that it does not hurt us. Any moral wrong undermines the common good and therefore harms all members of society.
Moreover, independent of any personal harm, the fact remains that same-sex “marriage” is not marriage. Human nature defines the properties of marriage as between a man and a woman with the primary purpose of procreation and the education of children.
We are not free to alter marriage’s essential purpose or properties. These do not depend on the will of the contracting parties but are rooted in natural law which does not change. Two individuals of the same sex will never be able to marry because of an insurmountable biological impossibility.
However, such arguments usually do not satisfy those who repeat the mantra. For them, any harm suffered must be concrete and personal. Abstract considerations about the common good or natural law are deemed meaningless.
Changing Us
But same-sex “marriage” does hurt us concretely and personally.
As many activists will admit, the campaign for same-sex “marriage” is not only about their impossible and sterile love but social acceptance. It is not about “rights” but making the M-word come from our lips not theirs. We are the target of the same-sex “marriage” offensive. They cannot change the nature of marriage but they can try to change us.
That is one reason why we must oppose same-sex “marriage.” The minute it is socially and legally accepted by society, we will all feel the enormous psychological pressure to renounce our moral and religious convictions.
We are not isolated individuals but social beings living together in society. What others think or do has an enormous if not decisive influence on us.
This can be seen, for example, in the force of fashion, peer pressure or political correctness that frequently leads individuals to change their convictions because they naturally follow whatever society as a whole appears to accept.
In a society where unnatural unions are presented as “normal,” we will personally feel the cruel pressure of public opinion being brought to bear against our Christian morality. Indeed, we feel this difficulty even now as the pro-homosexual movement forces same-sex “marriage” on the airwaves, the social pages of our newspapers, and the curricula of our schools.
Once the force of law is given to these unions, the pro-homosexual movement will have acquired a powerful psychological weapon to change our rejection of homosexual activity and impose a gradual, even if reluctant, acceptance of their lifestyle.
That is why we must oppose it. Our social nature makes it absurd to affirm that we can live separate lives. To assume we can simply turn off, ignore or avoid same-sex “marriage” is to consign us to live as troglodytes or hermits in the desert.
The Nature of Society
However, opposing same-sex “marriage” must go beyond the mere fact that it will obstruct our practice of virtue. The very nature of community and the state calls for its exclusion.
When elements perceived as contrary to the common good are introduced in society, the concrete effect is the destroying of the moral bonds that bind together communities. Catholic political philosopher Heinrich Rommen writes:
“The usual case of the destruction of a community is the destruction of its specific moral and legal bond, of its moral order which binds the individuals in their interdependent coexistence and organizes them for the independent free realization of their specific common good.”1
If same-sex “marriage” becomes law, we will see the further breaking apart of the widely-accepted moral consensus that has bound American society together since its founding. We will see the courts creating new “rights” detached from and opposed to natural law and American legal precedents leading to the yet greater polarization of our nation.
Indeed, even now, the same-sex “marriage” issue is concretely and personally affecting us. It is renting families and communities asunder. It is fragmenting churches and creating red state/blue state enmity. It is contributing to the general unraveling of the nation’s social fiber proceeding from the fateful Roe v. Wade. decision which effectively poisoned the body politic of the nation.
Moral Law Guides
Finally, we must oppose same-sex “marriage” because all societies need not just any moral order, but an objective moral order based on natural law to guide them lest fashions, prejudices, partisan politics and whims be allowed to dictate a nation’s destiny.
Societies have always acted for the common good by naturally setting up social structures to defend themselves against perceived evils.
For this reason, those traditions, customs, and laws, based on an objective moral law, make up part of a moral framework that provides for the general well being. In addition, civilized society recognizes the family as the basic unit of all society while the rule of law and right of private property provide the foundation of economic and legal stability. The state plays its natural role by giving this whole framework its official stamp of approval and providing it with benefits.
When laws and social customs that outlaw homosexual “marriage” are overturned by activist judges, this whole moral foundation is shaken. The state’s stamp of approval is put upon any aberration or lifestyle with enough activists to lobby for it.
A new artificial framework based on hype, feelings and media perception is put in place. Society is no longer governed by rule of law but the whims of judges, city mayors or legislators who feel free to redefine marriage, or any “loving relationship,” however they see fit.
The gentle restraints of tradition, family and property which we lovingly embrace for the protection and good order of society are brutally overturned and are denounced as straightjackets by those who reject all sexual restrictions and even gender identity as tyrannical.
By railroading same-sex “marriage” upon society, a tiny minority hopes to take a shortcut to the social acceptance it craves and can never gain through the ballot box. Capitalizing on the prestige of the State, it will rob us of that social and legal framework which protects us from moral disorder and arbitrary government.
Same Sex “Marriage” Hurts Us
We are social beings. Like it or not, we are thrust into the middle of this debate. Unless we speak out now, the only socially and legally acceptable position will soon be that favoring homosexual union.
And that is why homosexual “marriage” hurts us.
It hurts us primarily because it is not marriage and offends against natural moral law.
However, same-sex “marriage” also hurts us because if we accept it, we are helping to create the cruel pressure of public opinion that will make it difficult, if not impossible, to hold true to Church teaching that all such behavior and unions are sinful and unnatural.
Same-sex “marriage” hurts us because if we accept it, we will be contributing to the destruction of the moral bonds that allow us to live peacefully in society. It will polarize yet more our already polarized nation.
Finally, same-sex “marriage” hurts us because by not opposing it, we participate in the destruction not just of the moral law that prohibits such relationships, but the whole moral framework that governs society. Moreover, we offend God who established this moral law and created us to follow that “law written on the hearts” of all men (Rom. 2:14-15).
We must oppose homosexual “marriage” for our own sake.
John Donne rightly declared that no man is an island. As social beings, we cannot disassociate ourselves from society or its decadence. If we do not fight for traditional marriage today, when the death bell tolls for our dissolute society, none should ask for whom the bell tolls. It will toll for us.
link
(passages emboldened by yours truly)
“Same-sex ‘marriage’ doesn’t hurt you personally, so why are you against it?” This is one of the most common pro-homosexual arguments – indeed almost a mantra repeated ad nauseam.
Of course, it’s not true that it does not hurt us. Any moral wrong undermines the common good and therefore harms all members of society.
Moreover, independent of any personal harm, the fact remains that same-sex “marriage” is not marriage. Human nature defines the properties of marriage as between a man and a woman with the primary purpose of procreation and the education of children.
We are not free to alter marriage’s essential purpose or properties. These do not depend on the will of the contracting parties but are rooted in natural law which does not change. Two individuals of the same sex will never be able to marry because of an insurmountable biological impossibility.
However, such arguments usually do not satisfy those who repeat the mantra. For them, any harm suffered must be concrete and personal. Abstract considerations about the common good or natural law are deemed meaningless.
Changing Us
But same-sex “marriage” does hurt us concretely and personally.
As many activists will admit, the campaign for same-sex “marriage” is not only about their impossible and sterile love but social acceptance. It is not about “rights” but making the M-word come from our lips not theirs. We are the target of the same-sex “marriage” offensive. They cannot change the nature of marriage but they can try to change us.
That is one reason why we must oppose same-sex “marriage.” The minute it is socially and legally accepted by society, we will all feel the enormous psychological pressure to renounce our moral and religious convictions.
We are not isolated individuals but social beings living together in society. What others think or do has an enormous if not decisive influence on us.
This can be seen, for example, in the force of fashion, peer pressure or political correctness that frequently leads individuals to change their convictions because they naturally follow whatever society as a whole appears to accept.
In a society where unnatural unions are presented as “normal,” we will personally feel the cruel pressure of public opinion being brought to bear against our Christian morality. Indeed, we feel this difficulty even now as the pro-homosexual movement forces same-sex “marriage” on the airwaves, the social pages of our newspapers, and the curricula of our schools.
Once the force of law is given to these unions, the pro-homosexual movement will have acquired a powerful psychological weapon to change our rejection of homosexual activity and impose a gradual, even if reluctant, acceptance of their lifestyle.
That is why we must oppose it. Our social nature makes it absurd to affirm that we can live separate lives. To assume we can simply turn off, ignore or avoid same-sex “marriage” is to consign us to live as troglodytes or hermits in the desert.
The Nature of Society
However, opposing same-sex “marriage” must go beyond the mere fact that it will obstruct our practice of virtue. The very nature of community and the state calls for its exclusion.
When elements perceived as contrary to the common good are introduced in society, the concrete effect is the destroying of the moral bonds that bind together communities. Catholic political philosopher Heinrich Rommen writes:
“The usual case of the destruction of a community is the destruction of its specific moral and legal bond, of its moral order which binds the individuals in their interdependent coexistence and organizes them for the independent free realization of their specific common good.”1
If same-sex “marriage” becomes law, we will see the further breaking apart of the widely-accepted moral consensus that has bound American society together since its founding. We will see the courts creating new “rights” detached from and opposed to natural law and American legal precedents leading to the yet greater polarization of our nation.
Indeed, even now, the same-sex “marriage” issue is concretely and personally affecting us. It is renting families and communities asunder. It is fragmenting churches and creating red state/blue state enmity. It is contributing to the general unraveling of the nation’s social fiber proceeding from the fateful Roe v. Wade. decision which effectively poisoned the body politic of the nation.
Moral Law Guides
Finally, we must oppose same-sex “marriage” because all societies need not just any moral order, but an objective moral order based on natural law to guide them lest fashions, prejudices, partisan politics and whims be allowed to dictate a nation’s destiny.
Societies have always acted for the common good by naturally setting up social structures to defend themselves against perceived evils.
For this reason, those traditions, customs, and laws, based on an objective moral law, make up part of a moral framework that provides for the general well being. In addition, civilized society recognizes the family as the basic unit of all society while the rule of law and right of private property provide the foundation of economic and legal stability. The state plays its natural role by giving this whole framework its official stamp of approval and providing it with benefits.
When laws and social customs that outlaw homosexual “marriage” are overturned by activist judges, this whole moral foundation is shaken. The state’s stamp of approval is put upon any aberration or lifestyle with enough activists to lobby for it.
A new artificial framework based on hype, feelings and media perception is put in place. Society is no longer governed by rule of law but the whims of judges, city mayors or legislators who feel free to redefine marriage, or any “loving relationship,” however they see fit.
The gentle restraints of tradition, family and property which we lovingly embrace for the protection and good order of society are brutally overturned and are denounced as straightjackets by those who reject all sexual restrictions and even gender identity as tyrannical.
By railroading same-sex “marriage” upon society, a tiny minority hopes to take a shortcut to the social acceptance it craves and can never gain through the ballot box. Capitalizing on the prestige of the State, it will rob us of that social and legal framework which protects us from moral disorder and arbitrary government.
Same Sex “Marriage” Hurts Us
We are social beings. Like it or not, we are thrust into the middle of this debate. Unless we speak out now, the only socially and legally acceptable position will soon be that favoring homosexual union.
And that is why homosexual “marriage” hurts us.
It hurts us primarily because it is not marriage and offends against natural moral law.
However, same-sex “marriage” also hurts us because if we accept it, we are helping to create the cruel pressure of public opinion that will make it difficult, if not impossible, to hold true to Church teaching that all such behavior and unions are sinful and unnatural.
Same-sex “marriage” hurts us because if we accept it, we will be contributing to the destruction of the moral bonds that allow us to live peacefully in society. It will polarize yet more our already polarized nation.
Finally, same-sex “marriage” hurts us because by not opposing it, we participate in the destruction not just of the moral law that prohibits such relationships, but the whole moral framework that governs society. Moreover, we offend God who established this moral law and created us to follow that “law written on the hearts” of all men (Rom. 2:14-15).
We must oppose homosexual “marriage” for our own sake.
John Donne rightly declared that no man is an island. As social beings, we cannot disassociate ourselves from society or its decadence. If we do not fight for traditional marriage today, when the death bell tolls for our dissolute society, none should ask for whom the bell tolls. It will toll for us.
Professur
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http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/aug/04082005.html
Letter of complaint sent to the FCC, and Canwest Global Media. Similar letters pending to all availible advertisers on Canwest Global.
Letter of complaint sent to the FCC, and Canwest Global Media. Similar letters pending to all availible advertisers on Canwest Global.
Dave
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ok. morally you find the lifestyle repugnant and religiously you see it as an affront to god.
got it.
now, can you give me one LEGAL reason why same-sex couples should not be allowed the same protection under the LAW as heterosexual couples? taxes, death benefits, inheritance issues. why shouldnt two people committed to each other in a relationship be entitled to the same legal protections?
got it.
now, can you give me one LEGAL reason why same-sex couples should not be allowed the same protection under the LAW as heterosexual couples? taxes, death benefits, inheritance issues. why shouldnt two people committed to each other in a relationship be entitled to the same legal protections?
SouthernN'Proud
Southern Discomfort
Winky said:
It's called Rape of a Child in most states.
rrfield
New Member
P.S.
Marriage is a religous instituion. Governments should not be marrying people. Get hitched in a court house or the I-Do-Drive-Thru (or my local favorite, the Abbey House Wedding Chappel and Hot Tub Suites)? Not a marriage; it's a civil union. States should be able to choose who they will grant civil unions to. States should be also able to choose wether or not to recognize civil unions granted by other states.
Marriage is a religous instituion. Governments should not be marrying people. Get hitched in a court house or the I-Do-Drive-Thru (or my local favorite, the Abbey House Wedding Chappel and Hot Tub Suites)? Not a marriage; it's a civil union. States should be able to choose who they will grant civil unions to. States should be also able to choose wether or not to recognize civil unions granted by other states.
Winky
Well-Known Member
Well Freaker,
you got half of it right.
Homoness and ploinkin' children are both
unnatural. One in the same. So inevitably gayness
marriage will become sanctioned and the law of the land
and as now the molesters are released into society
(2 million) to continue their trade.
Molesting kids has gone from a crime, today just
a mental illness, tomorrow it will be seen as a
"sexual preference” as fags are today.
If you can not see the progression
that's not my problem.
Yep today you don't get locked up unless you KILL the child
you molest, remember the headlines from he last few months???
you got half of it right.
Homoness and ploinkin' children are both
unnatural. One in the same. So inevitably gayness
marriage will become sanctioned and the law of the land
and as now the molesters are released into society
(2 million) to continue their trade.
Molesting kids has gone from a crime, today just
a mental illness, tomorrow it will be seen as a
"sexual preference” as fags are today.
If you can not see the progression
that's not my problem.
Yep today you don't get locked up unless you KILL the child
you molest, remember the headlines from he last few months???
