I agree with Ards, and yes, I will be there when it gets to that, period. I'm kicking my ass already for not enlisting a year ago. I'm sooo angry and dismayed I won't be there in Iraq to fight for what I believe. And yes, I will be willing to die for my country and for my people and for what I believe in.Squiggy said:Ards, I could respect your opinion and willingness to sacrifice lives if I knew your ass would be one of those at risk. Are you going to be there or are you only so willing because its other people's lives?
Exactly. But believe me, before the drafting legislation, IF it comes to that, hits the table, I will be there to fight out of my own free will.Ardsgaine said:It's ridiculous to say that everyone who believes we should go to war against Iraq should join the military. In the first place, it simply isn't necessary. We have a professional military that's perfectly capable of handling the job. In the second place, not everyone is of an age or is physically capable of going to war, yet they still have the right to an opinion on the subject. In the third place, if everyone joined the military, it would bankrupt the economy.
flavio said:Whatever happened to that Bin Laden guy?
Ardsgaine said:It's ridiculous to say that everyone who believes we should go to war against Iraq should join the military. In the first place, it simply isn't necessary. We have a professional military that's perfectly capable of handling the job. In the second place, not everyone is of an age or is physically capable of going to war, yet they still have the right to an opinion on the subject. In the third place, if everyone joined the military, it would bankrupt the economy.
In the end, this argument is like saying that you don't have the right to advocate arresting crooks if you're not on the police force. It's absurd!
Squiggy made this personal by calling my courage into question, and it pissed me off. I don't care to discuss with him or anyone else my reasons for not being in the military-- not when the question is put to me as a condition of my being able to advocate war with Iraq. I'm not going to dignify his argument with explanations.
And that's all I have to say about that.
Gato_Solo said:Argue apples and apples, not apples and oranges. Criminals are on a hugely smaller scale than engaging an entrenched, heavily armed enemy.
I don't care to discuss with him or anyone else my reasons for not being in the military-- not when the question is put to me as a condition of my being able to advocate war with Iraq.
If you won't answer him, then answer me. Are you willing to serve?
Gee, I really honestly respect you for that. I want to enlist pretty badly, but if I'm going to have a family, I can't be in the military, IMHO. Completely agree with you here and I admire you for that.PuterTutor said:Why I won't join the Military.
These reasons may be Lame in your eyes, Gato, but quite frankly, I don't give a fuck if you do. I'm a father, of six children. My children need me, not just the money I make, but they need me in our house to help raise them, making them into people that will make a difference sometime in the future.
Everyone is different, and everyone has to make a choice of his/her career. Yes military is a career, and I've thought about it. Not everyone wants to be military, and that is a valid choice.Second, I don't want to. Yep, that's right, I don't want to join the military, it's not that I'm afraid of dying, I see it as a career choice, and that is one choice I don't want. That's one of the freedoms I have because of past actions of our military.
AgreedPuterTutor said:My point was, is that you don't dare tell us we have any less of a right to say where or when we should be attacking another country just because we aren't in the military. It would be a scary world indeed if only the people in the military could make those decisions.
PuterTutor said:So then you are saying that unless you are in the military, you should have NO opinion on whether or not we go to war? That is hypocrisy at its best.