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A.B.Normal said:
But you do seem to know alot about it :winkkiss:
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it was on the local news. they must have run out of important things to say those days (the story ran many times).
it was like,
"we're out of relevant things to report, so we'll tell you the colored plastic braceletes your kid trades with his/her friends and buys at the mall are actually tools of sexual promiscuity! and make the parents all paranoid! and let everyone know how terrible and degenerate america's young individuals are even tho a lot of them are tons less fucked up than the adults!"

yes the game is called snap... and until it started being reported on the news and talked about and stuff, i can guarantee you most of the people who wore the bracelets had never heard of it. gelly-bracelet wearers were given an undeserved bad reputation because of someone's overzealous anti-youth-culture propaganda.
 
relax Ash,just razzin' you
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MrBishop said:
No harm, no foul.
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considering the cost of developing lab quality samples, I beg to differ. And if finding a cure for cancer bores him so, he can damn well go see if flipping burgers captures his attention better.
 
Prof, please do a little research into the discoveries of Teflon, Velcro, nylon, x-rays, penicillin, safety glass, sugar substitutes, and polyethylene for a start.

Who whizzed in your cornflakes this AM, hmmm?
 
"When we moved a liver enzyme into a bacterium, the bacterium turned blue," Dr Guengerich said. "We were aware that there were people in the world who had been interested in making coloured flowers, especially a blue rose, for a number of years.

"Dr Gillam had the bright idea that we could capitalise on our discovery by moving the gene into plants - and produce a blue rose."

The scientists, who have patented the process, describe their findings in an article in the next issue of the Journal of Medicinal Chemistry. Rose growers and breeders - who have spent years experimenting with grafts and cross-breeding in unsuccessful attempts to produce a blue rose - gave a mixed reaction to the discovery.
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HomeLAN said:
Prof, please do a little research into the discoveries of Teflon, Velcro, nylon, x-rays, penicillin, safety glass, sugar substitutes, and polyethylene for a start.

Who whizzed in your cornflakes this AM, hmmm?
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Noone yet, but I'm sure the proposal to do research into the effects of urinating into breakfast cereals could get some major university funding.
 
Oh, no doubt about that. It isn't the accidental discoveries that floor me, it's the shit we TRY to find.
 
A.B.Normal said:
"When we moved a liver enzyme into a bacterium, the bacterium turned blue," Dr Guengerich said. "We were aware that there were people in the world who had been interested in making coloured flowers, especially a blue rose, for a number of years.

"Dr Gillam had the bright idea that we could capitalise on our discovery by moving the gene into plants - and produce a blue rose."

The scientists, who have patented the process, describe their findings in an article in the next issue of the Journal of Medicinal Chemistry. Rose growers and breeders - who have spent years experimenting with grafts and cross-breeding in unsuccessful attempts to produce a blue rose - gave a mixed reaction to the discovery.
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Let's see. Where shall I begin. Shall we discuss who's pocket the profits of that patent goes into? Shall we discuss that they were suppose to be cancer researchers and not botanists. Or shall we discuss that roses don't have livers.

Ah, fuck it. Evidently, the blind are more interested in the pretty colours.
 
i could be wrong, but i'd think that "liver enzyme" suggests an enzyme from a liver, not an enzyme for a liver, thus it matters not that roses lack such organs. it's no different than a lot of what humans needlessly expose themselves to at greater costs.

besides, it was research. maybe a new research category is "does it turn flowers colors?" it could be.
 
ash r said:
it was on the local news. they must have run out of important things to say those days (the story ran many times).
it was like,
"we're out of relevant things to report, so we'll tell you the colored plastic braceletes your kid trades with his/her friends and buys at the mall are actually tools of sexual promiscuity! and make the parents all paranoid! and let everyone know how terrible and degenerate america's young individuals are even tho a lot of them are tons less fucked up than the adults!"

yes the game is called snap... and until it started being reported on the news and talked about and stuff, i can guarantee you most of the people who wore the bracelets had never heard of it. gelly-bracelet wearers were given an undeserved bad reputation because of someone's overzealous anti-youth-culture propaganda.
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Go ash! There's always something to report on the news... it's just that things like this are used to divert the people from the real problems. I've only heard of "snap" from concerned adults who think that everyone in high school is having orgies in the bathrooms between classes and shooting heroin under their desks when the teacher's not looking. *sigh* It's just sad... sad sad sad. :grumpy:
 
Oh... and I forgot to comment on the discovery.

My comment: it would have been nicer if they had found a cure for Alzheimer's or cancer. But at least someone will benefit from the research. Even if it is just to have a pretty rose in their garden.
 
catocom said:
LOL, I though this thread was going to be about those different colored
bracelets the teens are wearing these days. :lol2:
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And I came in here thinking it had something to do with traffic lights. :lloyd:
 
Professur said:
Let's see. Where shall I begin. Shall we discuss who's pocket the profits of that patent goes into? Shall we discuss that they were suppose to be cancer researchers and not botanists. Or shall we discuss that roses don't have livers.

Ah, fuck it. Evidently, the blind are more interested in the pretty colours.
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Off hand, I'd say that the profits would go to the University, much like profits from secondary research within a commercial environment would go there.
The guy who discovered the glue for sticky-notes got a nice watch, but the company got the millions!

As for related/unrelated research...if you don't follow every path, you might miss the one that leads to success. If in a few years, the blue -tinge- that makes those roses blue is found to be the cure for cancer, or a great way to mark cancer cells for extermination, or the cure for blindness...then that'd be great. but if the nature of the research is that any findings not directly related to the subject at hand are ignored or disposed of, then the lossees to science would be phenomenal.

Shared results/findings are at the center of good scientific research. You never know where the next great cure will come from.
 
HomeLAN said:
Prof, please do a little research into the discoveries of Teflon, Velcro, nylon, x-rays, penicillin, safety glass, sugar substitutes, and polyethylene for a start.

Who whizzed in your cornflakes this AM, hmmm?
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add viagra to that list, it was originally some sort of heart drug. until they realized that the side effects are far more profitable than the intended purpose.

i think a blue rose would be amazing, working for a florist i see a lot of amazing flowers but a blue rose would be dynamite. and relating to the 'natural blue from a lab' comment, it's natural in the sense that the rose grew blue instead of being spray-painted, dip-dyed, or some other ghetto technique for ruining an otherwise good rose.
 
tommyj27 said:
add viagra to that list, it was originally some sort of heart drug. until they realized that the side effects are far more profitable than the intended purpose.
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Target of the morning to ya. D'you realize what viagra really is? It's an ego trip. It's a chemical Corvette. What other culture in the world would actually invest $25 per pill for an improved erection? And then have the utter gall to try and pass it off as an insurable medical condition????? Not to mention Cialis and Levitra. Y'know, if scientists would actually concentrate on what they're supposed to be doing, instead of exploring side channels for retarded things like giving a 70 year old man an erection, or making roses colours that nature never intended, we might be done with cancer by now.

Not to mention that most of the people who might actually need viagra, will also be suffering from heart conditions that prevent them from safely ever taking it. Or that just getting themselves in a semblance of fitness would solve both issues at the same time.
 
Professur said:
Y'know, if scientists would actually concentrate on what they're supposed to be doing, instead of exploring side channels for retarded things like giving a 70 year old man an erection, or making roses colours that nature never intended, we might be done with cancer by now.
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It's not 'exploring a side-channel' ... it's an accidental discovery ... and it's not only making money for the company (so they can continue their initial research), it's helping out more than just 70 year olds. There are 20-50 year olds with erectile disfunctions who are just singing the praises of Viagra. :D

As for colours that nature never intended. Most roses out there are colours that nature never intended...in fact, most colours are either grafts, or results of cross-breeding techniques, and basically assisted by mankind. Natural roses are small, weak and tend to be red... larger roses a dn other colours (white, yellow, orange, black) are man-amplified versions.
Kinda like dogs.... if mankind hadn't stepped in to control breeding, we certainly wouldn't have every type of dog under the sun, from Corgis to Great Danes etc...

I seriously doubt that any company would stop research on cancer for a secondary research on making roses blue or viagra. The cure for cancer...other than giving you an automatic Nobel Peace Prize...is THE #1 cash cow for anyone, or any company, which discovers it.
If Viagra will get you hundreds of millions of dollars...then the cure for cancer will fetch you hundreds of Billions!!
 
MrBishop said:
It's not 'exploring a side-channel' ... it's an accidental discovery ...
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"When we moved a liver enzyme into a bacterium, the bacterium turned blue," Dr Guengerich said. "We were aware that there were people in the world who had been interested in making coloured flowers, especially a blue rose, for a number of years.
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Looks like there weren't any roses present, so that would make accidental discovery difficult.

"Dr Gillam had the bright idea that we could capitalise on our discovery by moving the gene into plants - and produce a blue rose."
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If you don't consider this a side channel .....



Mr.Bishop said:
and it's not only making money for the company (so they can continue their initial research),
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The scientists, who have patented the process,
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Perhaps it's just badly written, but I see no mention of any company, do you?


Mr.Bishop said:
it's helping out more than just 70 year olds. There are 20-50 year olds with erectile disfunctions who are just singing the praises of Viagra. :D
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Do I really have to remind you that my biggest client is a pharmacy chain, and I'm on very good terms with any number of pharmacists? Any 18 year old can get a prescription for Viagra from any doctor, with no more difficulty than
a woman for the Pill. And there's no criteria for restricting it to people with dysfunctional equipment.


Mr.Bishop said:
I seriously doubt that any company would stop research on cancer for a secondary research on making roses blue or viagra. The cure for cancer...other than giving you an automatic Nobel Peace Prize...is THE #1 cash cow for anyone, or any company, which discovers it.
If Viagra will get you hundreds of millions of dollars...then the cure for cancer will fetch you hundreds of Billions!!
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Half right. The company wouldn't. But the researchers would, do and did. Surely you're not blind enough to suggest that the head researchers on a team quitting to go colour flowers isn't going to set back the original work by years, if not to day one.
 
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