spike
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Everyone of those involves harm to another individual. The only example of Bish's that you could even attempt to say had a similar quality is abortion.
So that was pretty much an apples/oranges thing.
Religious intolerance...
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Everyone of those involves harm to another individual. The only example of Bish's that you could even attempt to say had a similar quality is abortion.
So that was pretty much an apples/oranges thing.
Professur
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Although you'll probably not be able to see it, harm to another individual is subjective. If I maintain that the murder victim wanted me to kill him, have I done him harm? If the child testifies that she wanted sex, was it harmful?
By the same token, from a muslim's or christian's viewpoint, they could well consider themselves harmed by allowing behavior in another which is (now) permissible by law. "Suffer ye not the witch" being simply the first that springs to mind. According to the Bible, is my soul not at risk by defying the word of God? Doesn't even civil law dictate that every adult has the duty to defend and protect children? Am I not leaving them in danger ... from that viewpoint?
Don't be so quick to declare the fight over and done. Don't forget how many things are legal today that weren't 100 years ago and vice versa. Oranges have been known to change their skins in the light of the new day.
Gato_Solo
Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Choosing to pray, or not to pray, has no effect on a career. If that were the case, then the base chapel would be full to overflowing every time there was a religious service. What we have here, is some folks who feel it necessary to curb the religious rights of others because they feel uncomfortable. How you get anything else out of this is beyond me. Once again...this prayer is voluntary.
spike
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If someone wants to die that's called assisted suicide, not murder. You're going to have a Kevorkian type debate there. I'm not sure I have a problem with it.
Consensual sex with a minor is a different matter because the child is under the parents authority until a certain age.
I think the key here is "consenting" and "adults".
You can be chained up and whipped by a dominatrix if you want because it is "consenting" and you're "adults". But someone can't forcefully chain you up and whip you because one of those terms now doesn't apply.
I think the idea is to keep your religious beliefs off me.
That age is less than it is to get an abortion but the same as the age of consent to get ones ears pierced.
Professur
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no, the key here is "harm". People are locked up daily because they're deemed to be harmful ... to themselves. There are now registed sex offenders who's only crime was that they were under 18 and took nude photos .. of themselves.
chcr
Too cute for words
You know, some people think American society is too permissive. I submit that we are in fact frighteningly puritanical. In case no one remembers, the British chased the puritans out of England. I've long suspected it was more because they were self-righteous assholes than due to their actual religious beliefs.
jimpeel
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Why? Did someone's dog die?
MrBishop
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Nope...Murder, bestiality, raping kids etc...are not exclusively religious laws/tenets like that of working Sundays (or Friday nightfall to Saturday nightfall if you work for a Jewish-owned business)...
Put that straw-man away....I'm getting hay-fever.
Gato_Solo
Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Nope...Murder, bestiality, raping kids etc...are not exclusively religious laws/tenets like that of working Sundays (or Friday nightfall to Saturday nightfall if you work for a Jewish-owned business)...
Put that straw-man away....I'm getting hay-fever.
Umm...you brought up the straw man...
Bish said:
As it stands, the state doesn't mandate religion. Most modern law happens to follow the religious leanings of the governments that are elected, however. What we have in this situation is a group of people who cannot resist sticking their "higher-than-thou" noses in someone elses business...to use your words. How is telling people that they cannot pray any different than telling people that they MUST pray?
randomJACKASS
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Rarely do I see a post I agree with so well!
That is untrue (the anti-christian statement).
My hubby and I have a friend who recently was in the hospital. She was sent a forwarded email about a special prayer and then forwarded it on to us (and others). I sent her a reply that we would not be participating in the prayer, since we are Atheists, but that she is always in our thoughts. She thought we were offended and I had to straighten that out. Prayer is a supposed to be a positive part of Christian's lives. If someone sends me something like that (an email prayer) I don't take offense but I politely refrain from participating.
Where I work, we have a group prayer either at the beginning or end of the quarterly meetings. I leave the room and return when it's done. Does that single me out? Does it offend some of the Christians saying the prayer? I'm sure it does, but I don't care because they shouldn't be offended that I do not believe in their god.
Gato_Solo
Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Oh, really?
val said:
If you don't want to pray, whether from non-belief, or whatever, then that is your right. My question above has still gone unanswered, though...
How is telling people that they cannot pray any different than telling people that they MUST pray?
Instead of making any remark toward your non-belief, why didn't you ignore it or just reply with your best wishes & let it go at that? Is professing your atheism that important? (Yes, I saw the rest of this post but it didn't answer this part)
Similarly, why not sit quietly while they chant & do their hoodoo voodoo? Is it necessary to seperate yourself publically? I'm sure they'd notice you not kneading your hands & dropping to your knees.