Separation of Church/State

Should there be one?

  • There should not be one

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • There should but we can leave the God stuff as it is

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • There should be one. No endorsment of any kind

    Votes: 9 90.0%

  • Endorse all religions not just one

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Endorse if asked(donate money to religious organisations)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other(please explain)

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • Total voters
    10
chcr said:
It bothers me when government tries to pass laws based on religious beliefs or gives preferential treatment to religious organizations.
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Now you have a valid point. ;)
 
tho it does pain me some to say it Squiggs, America is a Christian Nation. but I agree it is based around religious freedoms.
 
freako104 said:
not from the religion mate. from the country. It is like anyone who doesnt believe isnt American to me. a bit extreme I know but thats how I feel. look at teh currency In God We Trust. kind of a broad statement considering we have atheists,agnostics,pagans,Christians,Muslims and other religions not mentioned.
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But which God is being forced on you by the statement In God We Trust?
 
think ANY monotheistic one. The Muslims think they worship the same God as the Jews and Christians. and I agree. but I would also add Zarathustara to the list. suppose it said Gods(plural for the Pagans). Id feel the same way only replace Monotheism with polytheism.
 
freako104 said:
think ANY monotheistic one. The Muslims think they worship the same God as the Jews and Christians. and I agree. but I would also add Zarathustara to the list. suppose it said Gods(plural for the Pagans). Id feel the same way only replace Monotheism with polytheism.
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You still missed the point, and now seek to cloud it with polytheism. Try again, eric. :grinyes:
 
Gato_Solo said:
But which God is being forced on you by the statement In God We Trust?
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None in particular, just the idea that there is a supreme being and that his/her name is God.
That's failry christian...the term "God" as a title and not a descriptive. A descriptive would be "In our god we trust" or "In a god we trust"

It's not "In Allah we trust" or "In Yaweh we trust" or even "In Buddha we trust" it's In GOD we trust"
 
Gato_Solo said:
You still missed the point, and now seek to cloud it with polytheism. Try again, eric. :grinyes:
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ummm no. read my earlier posts. I said no endorsment of any religion. that is the point i made earlier. or did you not get it.
 
Well, I think the clear implication is the christian "god." It's what they meant, regardless of other meanings people try to rationalize. As freako says, it's a christian nation whether we like it or not. Of course I realize that the christian, jewish and muslim gods are all one, but I feel like the average christian doesn't. As long as I can spend the money, it could say "In Chthulu We Trust" for all I care.

Just keep the bible thumpers away from me and we'll be quits on the whole tangled mess. :D
 
freako104 said:
ummm no. read my earlier posts. I said no endorsment of any religion. that is the point i made earlier. or did you not get it.
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How is the word God endorse any religion at all? That's my secondary point...you know my primary...

Gato_Solo said:
How can you be excluded from something you don't even believe in???
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Gato_Solo said:
You missed the point...If you do not believe in God, then why does that word affect you? You don't believe in Santa, but I'm sure you don't mind seeing him everywhere on Christmas (whoops, sorry, X-mas). :shrug: What's the difference? If you don't believe, then you don't believe. Seeing the word anywhere should have no effect on you whatsoever...
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It affects me because having it on our money means the Government is endorsing a belief in a higher power. And Santa has nothing to do with religion, he is a purely commercial entity. However, if I saw the city, state and local government offices displaying St Nicholas, I would most certainly be offended. I don't care what private business or individuals do, but the government should leave all religious practices to the private sector. :shrug:
 
Ms Ann Thrope said:
It affects me because having it on our money means the Government is endorsing a belief in a higher power. And Santa has nothing to do with religion, he is a purely commercial entity. However, if I saw the city, state and local government offices displaying St Nicholas, I would most certainly be offended. I don't care what private business or individuals do, but the government should leave all religious practices to the private sector. :shrug:
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But you, yourself, stated that you do not believe in a higher power...
 
exactly... so I am not a citizen of this country because I am not included in the phrase "In God We Trust" and "In One Nation under God?"
 
and that is what makes our argument. we do not believe in it thus why is it there? you believe in a higher power. would you be offended if our currency said it was bullshit? it would then be endorisng atheism. which would not be fair to you guys. put simply take it out and make no mention of it.
 
Ms Ann Thrope said:
exactly... so I am not a citizen of this country because I am not included in the phrase "In God We Trust" and "In One Nation under God?"
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That's not what it says, and any thoughts about it saying that at all were put there by you...not the government.

freako said:
and that is what makes our argument. we do not believe in it thus why is it there? you believe in a higher power. would you be offended if our currency said it was bullshit? it would then be endorisng atheism. which would not be fair to you guys. put simply take it out and make no mention of it.
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How is saying God is bullshit endorsing atheism? I'll argue it this way...

You don't believe in the existence of God, but you go out of your way saying that others who do believe in God are stupid. There's a difference between believing in something and being insulting. Remember. Insults only work if there is some kind of belief. ;)
 
See, I just think there are too many good reasons to be offended by the government without this "In God We Trust" stuff although I will say I was mightily offended when George the first said I was not a citizen (I truly suspect George the second feels exactly the same way).
 
I don't think I've ever called anyone stupid because they believe in a higher power. The feeling of exclusion I get is because I know I am not included in the "We" on that coin or bill. I don't live "under God" so obviously I am not a member of that nation. :shrug:
 
chcr said:
Well, I think the clear implication is the christian "god." It's what they meant, regardless of other meanings people try to rationalize. As freako says, it's a christian nation whether we like it or not. Of course I realize that the christian, jewish and muslim gods are all one, but I feel like the average christian doesn't. As long as I can spend the money, it could say "In Chthulu We Trust" for all I care.

Just keep the bible thumpers away from me and we'll be quits on the whole tangled mess. :D
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Amen Brother... Er, I mean, yeah...
 
Ms Ann Thrope said:
I don't think I've ever called anyone stupid because they believe in a higher power. The feeling of exclusion I get is because I know I am not included in the "We" on that coin or bill. I don't live "under God" so obviously I am not a member of that nation. :shrug:
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You're legally a citizen, and I'm sure like me, you ignore most of the self righteous bullshit, so why not this?
 
I try, honestly, but it is so f*cking all-pervasive.... :mad:

think I'll just resign from this thread and go back to looking up overseas jobs (but religion seems to have infected most places so I don't hold any hope for myself finding a new home) :D
 
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