Shock at N Korean nuclear 'admission'

Actually, assuming the level of their technology, I think I could argue that them killing 3 million is close to impossible. Maybe 100,000 if they lit of the best nuke they could manage in manhattan, but I don't really think they are THAT STUPID. Do you think there would be a single Iraqi alive in the whole country if that happened? There is some level of deterence here. We are the ones holding ALL the cards last time I looked!!!

Ok, ok, sadams insane, who knows what he might do, right? Well, I would bet that he could get his hands on some U 235 or plutonium tomorrow if he tried hard enough, and building a crude bomb isn't exactly rocket science!!!
 
RD_151 said:
LL,

What makes you so sure they are gonna kill 3 million americans. Thats a rather large assumption. Don't you think?
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Not really, al-Queda killed a few thousand didn't they? I didn't direct that statement at any specific country though. But those rogue states do support terrorism, and they should be taken out IMHO.

I think its a better assumption that we are about to kill thousands of Iraqis, don't you think that should give them some case for attacking us preemptively?
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Actually, if you talk to the locals, while they will hate the war, they will be far more appreciative in 10 years. You don't get it. They LOVE American culture. They LOVE the music, the movies, the entertainment, the computers, the internet. Yes innocent civilians are going to die. But in all wars that happen. Its sad, but true. And better them than me or people I know. Yeah thats selfish, I kinda want to live and I want my friends to live too.

I sure hope they don't, but I see that they have a case for it!!! At least according to YOUR reasoning, ok, you borrowed your reasoning, AMERICAN reasoning.
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Hm, lets see, go to Iraq, talk to an average person in a village, and ask them if he feels like attacking the US because we are "the biggest evil fucking nation in teh world with heavy oppression and we want to rule the world". A nice "no" would greet you. They couldn't care less. They are happy as they are, but they want Western stuff (the young people).

That really scares me that WE as a people believe this shit!!!
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Well I do. I've been to more countries that I can remember and I know whats going on out there. I've talked to the locals of those countries. I've quizzed them. I've asked them what they want and what they don't want. :) And in the Middle East, most of them wants to be left alone. They know nothing of what Saddam did or are planning to do. (excluding radical Palestinians, they are just shit disturbers)
 
I've talked to people from lots of countries too, and have heard that the biggest complaint against the US is that they won't leave people to their own self determination. WE aren't their leaders, their rulers, or their law makers. Sure lots of people would like to enjoy mass consumption. Who wouldnt'. Also our culture is our biggest export, I don't deny that. However, if you ask these same people, "would you sacrifice your son or daughter to have it," I bet they would tell you NO!! I don't argue with you, if you could put democracies in the middle east, extinguish their beliefs, destroy their religous values, and brainwash them, they would love us. But I'm guessing it could take more than 10 years. Again just my opinion.
 
RD_151 said:
I've talked to people from lots of countries too, and have heard that the biggest complaint against the US is that they won't leave people to their own self determination. WE aren't their leaders, their rulers, or their law makers. Sure lots of people would like to enjoy mass consumption. Who wouldnt'. Also our culture is our biggest export, I don't deny that. However, if you ask these same people, "would you sacrifice your son or daughter to have it," I bet they would tell you NO!! I don't argue with you, if you could put democracies in the middle east, extinguish their beliefs, destroy their religous values, and brainwash them, they would love us. But I'm guessing it could take more than 10 years. Again just my opinion.
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You aren't reading what I'm writing. There is no need to extinguish their beliefs. Nor are there any reason to destroy their religious values. There are Muslim Americans, aren't there? I don't see any need to brainwash them either.

I'm really not going to argue this any further because I might offend someone again :).
 
I read it. I'm just not sure that they would welcome a US invasion. Maybe I'm wrong. If things are so bad, maybe they would. Maybe they could petition the US to invade, or the UN. I don't know, there must be some course of action. Maybe a revolution, maybe they could overthrow saddam. I don't know. Don't worry about me, I'm offense proof. If its someone else you worry about then I understand. I hear ya though, there is no sense beating a dead horse. I stated my opinion, you stated yours, as have others. Good enough.

If its a quick invasion, a quick overthrow, with no prolonged occupation, and not prolonged ground war, and no general war erupts in the region, then I guess you all were right (oh, and also no retaliation against the US either). If thats the case, then you will be "right" or at least it won't be perceived as some mistake.

Its all a moot point, cuz nothing will stop it, we are GOING TO DO IT, regardless of what anyone may wish or think to the contrary. I will conceed that. WE WILL DO IT!!! I realize this!!! That was NEVER IN DOUBT!!!
 
RD_151 said:
Maybe they could petition the US to invade, or the UN.
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They have. Exiled Iraqi leaders in Britain are encouraging the attack, and the Kurds want it as well...

Don't worry about me, I'm offense proof. If its someone else you worry about then I understand. I hear ya though, there is no sense beating a dead horse. I stated my opinion, you stated yours, as have others. Good enough.
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You don't know my history here. I was very bad, and I guess I still am after that other thread. :( I'm trying to be a better person though :)

Its all a moot point, cuz nothing will stop it, we are GOING TO DO IT, regardless of what anyone may wish or think to the contrary. I will conceed that. WE WILL DO IT!!! I realize this!!! That was NEVER IN DOUBT!!!
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Yes we are going to do it. :)
 
Well, ya gotta keep people on their toes I guess ;)

I'm sure they will forgive ya. Do they ban people here? If they do, I could understand your concern. Otherwise, I wouldn't worry too much. Well, I see what ya said either though. I comend you on trying to be a "better person." Maybe I should try too. Its not easy though.

Yep, were gonna do it, that makes it easy to oppose it huh. Cuz even people like me who oppose it will "benefit" from it, assuming we do it, and it doesn't backfire huh.

I can tell you this, when I first heard of it, I was like "YES, finally." I was only thinking to myself, "its about time." But then I thought of it more, after my wife asked why I thought it was so wonderful.

WEll we are probably moving to D.C. in a year, so I would like the nukes to be gone before I move to "ground zero" myself, but I only have to question the legitimacy of our arguments. My conscience (my wife) maybe was a "bad influence" on me ;)
 
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