Should criminals be allowed to hold public office?

[Jeslek]

For the year of 2002:

Basic personal amount: $7,800
Tuition deduction at $400/month: $1,600
Tuition fees and textbooks: $4,000
Accomodation: $1,700

That is roughly $15,000 just there.

In addition, Ontario's basic personal deduction is $7,817.

Contributions to charitable donations are also deductable from your income tax. There goes another $1,500.

Now what about the time and resources used at home to work? Deduct some of the cost of the computer (I type up reports for work at home), part of the telephone bill, and so forth (yes this is legal in Ontario).

Overall I can't see what you (flavio and Q)'s hangup is. I have enough deductions so that the federal government see me as a no-income person. If you classify using all possible deductions as a crime, then I'm a criminal. Don't care.



Oh and flavio/Q, there is a difference between taking handouts from the government while you pay taxes (hence you really just lower the overall contribution made to the government without going into a negative mode, ie leeching off society), and taking handouts while not paying taxes. And no, I don't take handouts from the government.

By claiming that you spent more money on deductible items than you make you are evading taxes.

Honestly flavio, try harder. If I had an income of $4,000 last year, I can deduct $7,800 that the federal government gives every person. That means you have deducted MORE than you earn. Nothing dishonest about it in my opinion. I realize you think differently, so let us just agree to disagree there ok?

It's obvious that you don't "look at yourself" as your stealing is somehow justified.

I have not stolen anything. In the last year or so, I have paid over $1,000 in taxes (EI and CPP). I have not received anything from the government, but I have hired a professional accountant to prepare my tax return. Now tell me, how is that stealing?

We've established that you are a hypocrit, are you trying to establish your family as hypocrits too?

I never said anything about my family and whether they have a problem with this kind of socialism or not. I, however, will take all that is legally mine from the welfare system provided I do not steal from society. If I paid $1,000 in taxes I have no problem taking $1,000 from welfare. What I will NOT do, however, is take more than I've been taxed. And no, I have not done that.

In the words of Ardsgaine, try to read it at least six times before responding. Oh and, use your grey cells. I know its hard, but try ok?

 

[flavio]

I think flavio is just too retarded to comprehend things. Even Nixy knows what I'm talking about. Now I know she very smart, but it doesn't take a PhD to understand what I'm writing.

http://www.otcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5689&perpage=40&pagenumber=4

Hey, did you look at the image I posted? A PhD? Shit I don't know what you need to decipher your posts but I think higher education only would hurt the chances. You keep saying things and then contradict yourself. I can even show you the two sentences right next to each other and you still don't understand the problem.

Funny how you have some numbers all of the sudden now that Nixy gives them to you. And you act surprised that she knows about it?

What I will NOT do, however, is take more than I've been taxed. And no, I have not done that.

More bullshit.

You know this conversation wouldn't drag out so long if you had enough "grey cells" to rub togeher to keep from contradicting yourself every other post.

 

[Nixy]

In all fairness Jerrek, your posts were rather confusing. I didn't even read all them cause I found it hard to make sense of them. I figured out what you were TRYING to say then said it myself because I knew everyone else was confussed too.

 

[ris]

i'd have to say that after 2 pages of not explaining the details of the system more clearly it does given the impression of evasiveness. the first thing that nix did when she came in was set out the basic personal tax-free earnings level, somehitng that could have been done at the beginning.

 

[Q]

Nice socialistic system eh? I don't want to contribute, but I sure as hell am going to take and get from it what I can. And yes my family even received welfare one year because they only worked two months of that year and that put them a bit below the welfare line.

hmmm, what have we here??

That isn't judgment. I'm making a statement that I do not support any form of socialism where you steal from hard working citizens to give to the poor people, whether they are too lazy to work or whether they just can't because of a situation out of their control.

 

[Jeslek]

Q, try not to be too stupid ok? Post the full quote:



[/sarcasm off, in case you missed it]

 

[Jeslek]

Q, post the full quote ok? I'm getting sick of people that quote only parts of what I post. Did you, by ANY chance, miss this part?



[/sarcasm

 

[Jeslek]

Q, post the full quote ok? I'm getting sick of people that quote only parts of what I post. Did you, by ANY chance, miss this part?



[/sarcasm off, in case you missed it]

 

[flavio]

Wow, you triple posted!

Hey Jerrek, do you claim all your rent as a tax deduction?

 

[Q]

So, because you were being sarcastic, does that mean your parents did NOT receive welfare?

It's really tough to keep track of where you stand on these issues. Either your family did receive welfare and that was ok because you felt you were entitled to it, but it's NOT ok for other people to receive welfare no matter what the situation is, because when other people do it, it is government sanctioned theft of more fortunate people.
And the alternative is, you just made up the bit about receiving welfare. No logical reason for doing that comes to mind.

 

[flavio]

So, because you were being sarcastic, does that mean your parents did NOT receive welfare?

It's really tough to keep track of where you stand on these issues. Either your family did receive welfare and that was ok because you felt you were entitled to it, but it's NOT ok for other people to receive welfare no matter what the situation is, because when other people do it, it is government sanctioned theft of more fortunate people.
And the alternative is, you just made up the bit about receiving welfare. No logical reason for doing that comes to mind.

If it's not true, it's not even sarcasm really. Just another misleading bit of information.