Somebody doesn't get it

Gonz

Gonz

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So, you believe that the public schools teach incorrectly. They agendize your children. They are more concerned with social structure than grammatical structure. Hands outs are more important than hand ups. History shoud be called HisandHersstory. Our advantagous country is being run into the ground by liberal, do-gooder, emotionally based legislation who belive that religion in school is bad but condoms in school are good. Who belive our country was founded by rich white dudes.

So did we. We homeschool, as many of you know. My wife found this at a local homeschooling site. Theses kids may be better off in a public education setting.

WANTED: HOMESCHOOL ASSISTANCE

We are looking for someone in the (local) area who could homeschool my 5th
grade daughter along with their own children. What we would love to find is
a Christian family with a teacher-Mom who would treat Kelli kindly and give
her that more personal academic attention she needs so badly.

Sincerely,
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I dont see whats wrong with it since it is in her private home. She can teach or hire someone to teach how she sees fit.
 
Wouldn't this Christian teacher-mom need a credential to teach children that aren't her own?
 
As a qualified teacher I (and most of my colleagues) do not agree with the concept of "Home schooling" unless it is done so by a professional...

But the words "socially inept" always spring to mind whether the children are "taught" by "mummy and daddy" or a professional tutor!
 
freako104 said:
in a home school situation people can teach what or how they want. whats the problem?
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The problem is if you're going to homeschool, it should be done by a parent. At least I think that's what Gonz is getting at there. It does seem odd, wanting a kid homeschooled but not willing to do it themselves.
 
PuterTutor said:
The problem is if you're going to homeschool, it should be done by a parent. At least I think that's what Gonz is getting at there. It does seem odd, wanting a kid homeschooled but not willing to do it themselves.
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Maybe they realise they're too stupid to do it themselves?
 
ClaireBear said:
As a qualified teacher I (and most of my colleagues) do not agree with the concept of "Home schooling" unless it is done so by a professional...

But the words "socially inept" always spring to mind whether the children are "taught" by "mummy and daddy" or a professional tutor!
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As a "qualified" teacher, you already know all the answers to all the questions & conundrums you teach? You never have to use the teachers guide? You are amazing.

"Socially inept". Interesting, once again we're playing on the fear factor. I suppose the romp in the park or a shopping trip, interaction (playing to those of us on the stupide side) with neighborhood kids, cousins, children of friends just doesn't give the same social intercourse as sitting in class. I bet that all those children from the last 6 eons are really screwed up since they didn't have an organized classroom from which to properly interact.
 
My brothers who were home schooled didn't get a whole lot of social interaction. Nope, between playing on baseball, basketball and football teams, joining the Boy Scouts and/or Civil Air Patrol, going to church youth group events and going on field trips to zoos, childrens museums, state parks, and amish villages with other home schooled kids there simply wasn't time for them to get any social interaction and thus they are totally socially inept.
 
Gonz said:
As a "qualified" teacher, you already know all the answers to all the questions & conundrums you teach? You never have to use the teachers guide? You are amazing.
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Teachers Guide? WTF is that?

I'm British... in Britain prospective teachers have to spend four years studying to become a Bachelor of Education (a degree) and gain qualified teacher status (QTS)... study consists of child development, psychology, counselling, educational politics and history, the curriculum (the subject content) pedegogy (teaching methods) get a full police check and complete at least 12 months in schools teaching as a student teacher during which you're monitored and assessed for suitability and QTS.

We certainly don't have a "teacher answer book"... we teach what we know and we have to know what we teach!

So yes! I am qualified!

Thats just primary education (kindergarten) too. For secondary education (high school) you require a degree in an academic subject anf then complete a year as a post grad doing the above but in a condensed form!

"Socially inept". Interesting, once again we're playing on the fear factor. I suppose the romp in the park or a shopping trip, interaction (playing to those of us on the stupide side) with neighborhood kids, cousins, children of friends just doesn't give the same social intercourse as sitting in class. I bet that all those children from the last 6 eons are really screwed up since they didn't have an organized classroom from which to properly interact.
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No... not fear... merely weighing up the pros and cons...

In school children come into contact with literally hundreds of children from a vast range of social, ethical and racial groups broadening their experience of "difference" and so expanding their tolerance of others... something which contact with kids on their block or the kids of their parent's friends will not provide them with.

They interact in an environment with rules and regulations, superiors and peers... exactly like the adult world...

They come into contact with a range of different adults in and out of the teaching arena.

Sure... before the advent of formal education children taught at home were fine... it was the only option! The skills they were taught and the environment they were taught in was fine for the time... people did not venture further than the outskirts of the village or if they were lucky to the nearest town. They took on their father's trade if they were male and the females became wives and mothers like their mothers before them.
 
Each state is different & each community standard may vary but here, where I live & where my son attended a public school, one may be hired with a BS or a BA but within 5 years they must have aquired their Masters.

You use the exact same periodical or school book as your students?

CB said:
something which contact with kids on their block or the kids of their parent's friends will not provide them with.
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That's a rather sweeping statement. What draws that conclusion?

Sorry CB but I've seen those arguments & actually participated in spreading a few of the lies before I understood what homeschooling was all about & how the public education system has lowered the bar to be all inclusive. I suppose that Britain may not PC the kids but from what I've witnessed from your gov't, I find that unlikely.
 
Gonz said:
Each state is different & each community standard may vary but here, where I live & where my son attended a public school, one may be hired with a BS or a BA but within 5 years they must have aquired their Masters.

You use the exact same periodical or school book as your students?
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No... actually teaching straight out of the text book is actually frowned upon now.... modern British teaching now focuses on interactive learning... focusing on kinetic, aural and visual methods to stimulate those children who learn using those models.

Sure, we may take questions and exercises out of the odd text book but we don't use them consistantly and actually the only time when an "answer book" is of any use in the Primary sector is during mathematics (now known a numeracy in Primary) and science and certain areas of humanities.. when there is a straight right or wrong answer.

Personally... I only use such booklets during Numeracy for speed of marking after the class at the end of the day... as a Science specialist I don't need the answers for such a level and humanities... and after three terms of teaching the same history, geography and RE the details kinda stick but if you're well read you shouldn't need to look it up!!!!

That's a rather sweeping statement. What draws that conclusion?
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Its about as sweeping as suggesting that any oposition to home schooling is due to "fear of the unknown" don't you think?

I said that because most people tend to soacialise (not consciously) within their own racial and social groups... you yourself, only the other week, were lamenting the lack of racial diversity across Britain! I'm sure it is perhaps the same in America as that article caught your eye!

Sorry CB but I've seen those arguments & actually participated in spreading a few of the lies before I understood what homeschooling was all about & how the public education system has lowered the bar to be all inclusive. I suppose that Britain may not PC the kids but from what I've witnessed from your gov't, I find that unlikely.
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I don't understand Gonz?

"PC the kids?" Making them politically correct?... Oh you mean making them well rounded individuals, with an understanding of their own and other cultures, tolerant of difference and choice... right?

Is that a bad thing?

British schools are now "inclusive" ... inclusion is the new education buz word.. we adapt our schools to suit the needs of every pupil be it an autistic child requiring a certain colour chair and a written routine on the wall or a child with a physical disability requiring ramps and wider exits for their weelchair?

I don't understand you point.. please elaborate.
 
CB said:
teaching straight out of the text book is actually frowned upon now
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All to the better. Teach not facts. They are cruel & unusual.

CB said:
Its about as sweeping as suggesting that any oposition to home schooling is due to "fear of the unknown" don't you think?
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I suppose. Who wrote that?

I was inferring the custom of those opposed to homeschooling to use the emotion of fear to disuade those on the cusp & to create doubt in others who may consider it. To lessen the validity of those who are practicing or wish to practice an alternative method of education.

"PC the kids?" Making them politically correct?... Oh you mean making them well rounded individuals, with an understanding of their own and other cultures, tolerant of difference and choice... right?

Is that a bad thing?

British schools are now "inclusive" ... inclusion is the new education buz word.. we adapt our schools to suit the needs of every pupil be it an autistic child requiring a certain colour chair and a written routine on the wall or a child with a physical disability requiring ramps and wider exits for their weelchair?

I don't understand you point.. please elaborate.
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Inclusive. Yep, that's one of them words. The kind to make mankind, err, humankind reach beyond itself & improve the lot. A word that, theoretically, is wonderful. It allows us all to feel good. We're doing our part to better humanity. To drown the past indiscretions of meanness & quit the contemptible allures of normalcy with a myth of pure equality.

It's all emotional rhetoric.

If a child needs a certain color chair in which to sit & learn then all is not okay. That child WILL become a distraction. That child will not grow to be a fully functioning member of a grander society. Knowing him or her will not make my kid nor any other kid a more rounded individual. They will not have any more understanding of their or anothers culture. Tolerance in not the be all & end all it's made out to be. Discrimination can be & frequently is a great thing.

To attempt to break tradition & stay on topic, it's now the job of the school to take on the role of the parent? To teach understanding? To teach diversity? To assume the role of the parent & potentially overrule what may be taught at home & brainwash our children with socialist misinformation? Since when? That is precisley why our child is taught at home.
 
i think one huge advantage to public schools over private or 'home' schools is their shortcomings... school is a hell of a lot more about learning patience, tolerance, dealing with bullies, and sometimes even learning about failure, than it is about pure xyz education... and it's also about kids realizing that their superiors often understand as little about life as they do

is it right to have your kids grow up in a 'perfect little world', only to be tossed out into the real one at eighteen?

as you say...

Discrimination can be & frequently is a great thing.
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yes, it is a great learning tool... but how do they get this from home schooling?

two of my boys go to public school, and they have all kinds of experiences... from the downright mean to the touchy-feely... i wouldn't want it any other way
 
Gonz said:
If a child needs a certain color chair in which to sit & learn then all is not okay. That child WILL become a distraction. That child will not grow to be a fully functioning member of a grander society. Knowing him or her will not make my kid nor any other kid a more rounded individual. They will not have any more understanding of their or anothers culture. Tolerance in not the be all & end all it's made out to be. Discrimination can be & frequently is a great thing.
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Good God Gonz... with attitudes like that I'm surprised you don't side with the Iraqis fundamentalists!!!! ::) ::)

Maybe you would prefer it if the autistic child weren't at school at all.. or even on this Earth?

I'm sickened.

Discrimination is a great thing... my arse... positive descrimination maybe.. but purlease... do me a favour pull your neck!
 
This social interaction thing is a load of crap. It is far more natural and, in my opinion, far better that a child be interacting with and learning from people of all ages and backgrounds as they will have to do in their adulthood, not a pseudo-peer group of children all exactly the same age. That 'created for convenience scenario' is not natural, it is not healthy, and is not helpful to their social growth by any stretch of the imagination. It is the park, the library, the boy scouts, the extracurricular activities, the interaction with older siblings and those adults they are with every day as well as those the children randomly encounter through life that mold the child who is unfortunate enough to be in a classroom setting or out of it. They learn nothing of use from the one who sits at the desk next to him in a false unnatural environment and shows him better ways to misbehave. Having to sit through the same lesson for two weeks cause some of the other children in a 'class' is helpful to noone, and is in fact harmful to those who have to suffer it. A go at your own pace/learn from the world around you is what is meant to be...it's unfortunate that society has chosen to throw our children into pools and hope they can swim.
 
Leslie said:
This social interaction thing is a load of crap. It is far more natural and, in my opinion, far better that a child be interacting with and learning from people of all ages and backgrounds as they will have to do in their adulthood, not a pseudo-peer group of children all exactly the same age. That 'created for convenience scenario' is not natural, it is not healthy, and is not helpful to their social growth by any stretch of the imagination. It is the park, the library, the boy scouts, the extracurricular activities, the interaction with older siblings and those adults they are with every day as well as those the children randomly encounter through life that mold the child who is unfortunate enough to be in a classroom setting or out of it. They learn nothing of use from the one who sits at the desk next to him in a false unnatural environment and shows him better ways to misbehave.
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Another homeschooler? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Bloomin 'eck... no wonder there's so many American and Canadian teachers coming across to Europe to work... you blikered individuals are putting them out of work!!!!!

I'm out... before this gets nasty....
 
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