Study Finds Racial Imbalance on Death Row

[Professur]

I edited for detail. Before you posted.

Yes they do and you do as well...but if you or a garagist were heading towards my car...I'd be asking questions esepcially if I didn't request it. Wouldn't you?

I'd want to know what he was doing. I would be standing shouting "Stop Thief" at the top of my lungs. For all I know, he got a call from the missus that the keys were locked in, and she didn't let me know coz she was embarassed.

 

[MrBishop]

I'd want to know what he was doing.

By Jove, I think he's got it!!

Exactly. You ask what he's up to. or in this case...you point out that his statement sounded pretty racist.

Exactly what happened here.

 

[Professur]

By Jove, I think he's got it!!

Exactly. You ask what he's up to. or in this case...you point out that his statement sounded pretty racist.

Exactly what happened here.

No, actually, you still didn't get it. I would ask him what he was doing. You would have me asking him why he was stealing my car. And until you can wrap your brain around the differences between those two statements, this conversation is over.

bye bye.

 

[MrBishop]

You're getting closer and closer, Prof.

You point out the perception and wait for rebuttal.
The issue seems to be that merely pointing out the perception is tantamount to an actual acusation.

Going up to someone who's next to your car holding a slim jim and asking what they think they're doing is pointing out the impression. If you thought that he was perfectly innocent, there would be no need to go out there and ask.

You're highlighting the issue though.

Want to see me link this argument with Gonz's statement now?

 

[PT]

Not in this case. Someone did appear to have been basically called a small-minded racist. I know, I know, he tried to put it on the idea and not the presenter, but it struck me as a bit flimsy.

Actually, I really tried to accuse him of being racist. I'm sorry if it appeared otherwise.

I've read and re-read his comments several times now and can come to no other conclusion than that. Perhaps it's not right, perhaps he needs to articulate himself better, or perhaps I need to give people the benefit of the doubt more.

 

[HomeLAN]

Hopefully, he'll be able to avoid writing all of us off, and simply discover the joys of the ignore button in your case. Had you accused ME of that, it'd be the last post of yours I ever read.

 

[HomeLAN]

Oh, and FTR, I think you're dead-ass wrong. I've known a number of people in law enforcement in my time, some black, some white, some hispanic, ranging from PO's to street cops to prison guards.

I'm inclined to think SnP's views stem more form that than anything. Ya know, actual experiences rather than knee-jerk based on skin color. He seems to fit right in the middle of that enforcement crowd to me.

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

I'm gonna be real blunt here.

I spent time today deciding if I wanted to come back here or not. One person pissed me off highly. In total honesty, it's a good thing it was over the internet instead of to my face.

I decided that one person will not deprive me of being able to talk with some people I have come to enjoy spending time with.

I also decided that I really could not care less what one person smugly decides about me. One person who does not know me, what he is talking about, or much of anything else that matters to me.

I feel no need to justify myself, my feelings, my convictions, or my mannerisms to this person, or to anyone else for that matter. I know precisely what I am. If this person, or anyone else, decides that they don't like it, they have three options. Ignore it, whip it out of me, or kiss my rosy red ass. All three are open invitations.

So for only the second time during my stay here, someone on this board will be ignored by me. The first earned their way off. This one won't.

It's a two way street with me...always has been, always will be. I do not expect everyone to agree with what I say. If you did, this would be one boring-ass place. But I will not be judged by someone, convicted, branded, and tagged simply because they cannot comprehend the English language.

PT, I don't expect you to give a shit. I don't want an apology, and one most likely wasn't forthcoming anyway. It doesn't fit the pattern.

See y'all Monday. I have a lynching to go to.

 

[Gato_Solo]

I'm gonna be real blunt here.

I spent time today deciding if I wanted to come back here or not. One person pissed me off highly. In total honesty, it's a good thing it was over the internet instead of to my face.

I decided that one person will not deprive me of being able to talk with some people I have come to enjoy spending time with.

I also decided that I really could not care less what one person smugly decides about me. One person who does not know me, what he is talking about, or much of anything else that matters to me.

I feel no need to justify myself, my feelings, my convictions, or my mannerisms to this person, or to anyone else for that matter. I know precisely what I am. If this person, or anyone else, decides that they don't like it, they have three options. Ignore it, whip it out of me, or kiss my rosy red ass. All three are open invitations.

So for only the second time during my stay here, someone on this board will be ignored by me. The first earned their way off. This one won't.

It's a two way street with me...always has been, always will be. I do not expect everyone to agree with what I say. If you did, this would be one boring-ass place. But I will not be judged by someone, convicted, branded, and tagged simply because they cannot comprehend the English language.

PT, I don't expect you to give a shit. I don't want an apology, and one most likely wasn't forthcoming anyway. It doesn't fit the pattern.

See y'all Monday. I have a lynching to go to.

Now that was uncalled for.

 

[PT]

Oh, and FTR, I think you're dead-ass wrong. I've known a number of people in law enforcement in my time, some black, some white, some hispanic, ranging from PO's to street cops to prison guards.

I'm inclined to think SnP's views stem more form that than anything. Ya know, actual experiences rather than knee-jerk based on skin color. He seems to fit right in the middle of that enforcement crowd to me.

As have I, I have a few in my family now. My father-in-law that I hunt with almost every weekend is a Chief of Police in a small town. Doesn't matter. The mentality that associates a murder victim's race with the color of their skin and the percieved image that color is supposed to convey is wrong. His very first response to this thread...

What percentage of the blacks/Hispanics/Asians killed are involved in drug deals or other crimes at the time they are "murdered"?

"murdered" ? As if they weren't murdered? Must have deserved it. Must have deserved it because they were Black, Hispanic or Asian. If that isn't racist I don't know what is. So, if you must ignore me that is certainly within your rights. Later.

 

[Gato_Solo]

xen·o·phobe ( P ) Pronunciation Key (zn-fb, zn-)
n.
1. A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.

Racist

adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]

Now...lets look at what we think is racist, what we think is xenophobic, and what is really there.

1. Black people have no bigger penchant for crime than white people or hispanic people, or asian people. You can quote statistics til you're blue in the face, but all those statistics come from arrest records...so the proof itself is a bit suspect. This is a nifty little series on MSNBC that has a blurb about racial profiling. It's not meant to be disrespectful, but, SnP...do you deny that this type of 'police work' doesn't exist? Like you see the idiots that get caught...and I do mean idiots...the bigger picture is this. Were they stopped for being idiots, or for actually commiting a serious crime? I'll lump the charge of idiocy in the following areas:

Public intoxication, disturbing the peace, non-moving violations, and criminal mischief. All crimes, but not dangerous to the public at large.

Now...if none of the above apply...and no serious crime is being commited...and no warrant has been issued...how is a stop justified?

 

[Gonz]

all those statistics come from arrest records...

Why yes, Gato, they do. Chances are those with arrest records have a penchant for showing why it's plural. Both my brothers have arrest records. One is in prison, the other is minding his Ps & Qs. Did the cops just quit "picking on" the younger? Not likely. Learning from ones mistakes & changin the way one lives is how to avoid the cops. Not being white.

 

[Gato_Solo]

Why yes, Gato, they do. Chances are those with arrest records have a penchant for showing why it's plural. Both my brothers have arrest records. One is in prison, the other is minding his Ps & Qs. Did the cops just quit "picking on" the younger? Not likely. Learning from ones mistakes & changin the way one lives is how to avoid the cops. Not being white.

And if those arrest records happen to show a pattern of harassing behavior, then that's okay? I don't buy that one bit. I've never been arrested, and the idea of a cop pulling me over makes me nervous because I have no idea what could happen to me. That's not the way it's supposed to be.

 

[Gonz]

I get nervous when they get behind me too. I don't trust cops. I respect them & the job they do, however.

If you've done nothing wrong, chances are you have nothing to fear. Chances are you'll not be hit by lightning too.

 

[Gato_Solo]

If you've done nothing wrong, chances are you have nothing to fear.

To be honest, I'm more nervous when I'm totally innocent. Then I have to wonder WTF somebody else might have done to get me into trouble.

Chances are you'll not be hit by lightning too.

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

Now that was uncalled for.

You failed the knee jerk test. Anyone can be lynched.

Congratulations.

When we start seeing/hearing what is actually there, instead of what we try so desperately to PUT there, we'll make progress. Not until.

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

SnP...do you deny that this type of 'police work' doesn't exist?

Of course not. Bad cops exist. Bad chefs exist. Bad hanggliders exist, but usually not for very long. In my long haired rock and roll days, I got pulled over all the time. It ain't like one race has a monopoly on it.

Like you see the idiots that get caught...and I do mean idiots...the bigger picture is this. Were they stopped for being idiots, or for actually commiting a serious crime? I'll lump the charge of idiocy in the following areas:

Public intoxication, disturbing the peace, non-moving violations, and criminal mischief. All crimes, but not dangerous to the public at large.

Now...if none of the above apply...and no serious crime is being commited...and no warrant has been issued...how is a stop justified?

You assume that every arrest occurs out of a traffic stop. Not even close to accurate. Also criminal mischief is the kid sister of vandalism, which I would hardly call a victimless crime. If you do, let me know and the next time I get pissed off I'll come over and destroy your possessions to get it out of my system.

Like I said, take it for what it's worth. Stats can be argued all day long. I don't pretend to over ride anyone else's job experience with opinion. I have yet to accuse today's military of anything, because I am not a member. I don't tell Gonz how to drive a truck. I don't tell Tonks about the food industry. I may have opinions, but that's all they are.

 

[Gato_Solo]

You failed the knee jerk test. Anyone can be lynched.

Please refrain from those poisonous barbs, sir. If you take a look, all I said was that that was uncalled for. You, too, have failed the knee-jerk test.

Congratulations.

You too.

When we start seeing/hearing what is actually there, instead of what we try so desperately to PUT there, we'll make progress. Not until.

So an illegal execution is okay if it's a non-minority? How midieval of you. I was more upset that those words were coming from an officer of the law than anything else.