chcr said:It's one of the most misused and misunderstood words in the language and, by and large, it's acceptable to be one in most circumstances (such as an atheist who celebrates Christmas ). The negative connotations only seem to apply when someone does something that someone else doesn't like.
You did say that, didn't you?Gato_Solo said:Like I said. It's all in the context.
Professur said:If I may ... a hypocrite is an athiest who celebrates Christmas. A tree hugger who drives to a protest rally. A parent who spanks their child for fighting.
Quite the reverse, actually.which i think is pretty fucking gay.
chcr said:Quite the reverse, actually.
BTW, I am an atheist and I still think it's hypocritical to celebrate religious holidays. I do it, socially, but I don't lie to myself that it isn't hypocritical. OTOH, as I said, hypocrisy is not necessarily always a bad thing. As Gato pointed out, it's a matter of context.
Never apologize for trying to be precise.2minkey said:okay, sorry to do this but...
Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: 'hi-p&-"krit
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritEs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
i appreciate the casual take on hypocrisy that you take - in fact in some ways it's probably far healthier than the polarizing formal definition, but for the most part, any allegation of "hypocrisy" is quite serious.
plus, we're americans, and it's un-american to take moderate/casual, non-extreme views.
i'm only half joking. if i knew the UBB code for this board i'd place some sort of grin icon here.
maybe instead of hypocrisy we could call it "being a bit of a weenie?"
It's very American, it's just not good press.plus, we're americans, and it's un-american to take moderate/casual, non-extreme views.
2minkey said:if i may object...
there are plenty of athiests, agnostics, and people that have serious disagreements with formal religious doctines that celebrate christmas, hannukah, and all kinds of other shit socially, under no pretense of being fully in-the-pocket christians, jews, whatever else, with the people they are celebrating with.
The majority is always sane no matter how crazy they are.Professur said:Sorry, but no, actually, they're not celebrating. As you say, they're being social. They're not one and the same.
Chic ...... you know better than to suggest that the majority is sane. They're just accepted.
2minkey said:plus, we're americans, and it's un-american to take moderate/casual, non-extreme views.
i'm only half joking. if i knew the UBB code for this board i'd place some sort of grin icon here.
maybe instead of hypocrisy we could call it "being a bit of a weenie?"
Gato_Solo said:Seems like as long as only Christians and Jews get killed, nobody gives a damn.
Gonz said:That is the crux of the modern media & their liberal cronies. Across the board. It's okay to put prayer rooms in public buildings to appease the Muslims but you'd damned well better not say jack shit if it refers to Jesus or Jehovah. Hell, that's part of the reason I've started suporting the religious doctrine. Because its unfailry maligned.
Professur said:Simply because we've shed the radical element over the centuries ... in the name of human rights. A couple of hundred years back, it was christians that had the special prayer rooms. It's less than a decade that a muslim in a hospital can go to the chapel and not have the Christian cross hanging over his head.
Gato_Solo said:Since we're still on the topic of hypocrisy, I'd like to add this, as this is what I saw as the hypocrisy...
the world decides to kidnap Israeli soldiers. Israel says, basically, "enough is enough"
Gato_Solo said:More than a couple hundred...and that was mostly because early Christians were tortured and killed. Our religions came about at roughly the same time...within 200 or so years. As for the rest of the statement...Christians aren't even allowed inside a mosque without special dispensation from the head imam, and never allowed to pray there. Even converted muslims have to worship outside of mosques in the ME. Allowed to Mecca...yes. Allowed to worship in the mosques there...no.
chcr said:That article proves my point. If morality were absolute rather than subjective, then there would be no need to teach right from wrong. Everyone would be born knowing it. See, you continually misunderstand what I'm saying. Do I think ours are better? Of course I do, just like you do. If you (or anyone else) had been raised in a society with different moral values, you would hold those rather than the ones you hold now.
Edit: In case you missed it, clearly the Brits are idiots. If you don't teach children right from wrong, they won't know.
paul_valaru said:I was allowed in a mosque, no problem.
p_v said:and everyone is welcome in the temple my mom goes too, though the inner sanctum of the religous temples is for jewish men only. Just the rules.
If it is "not kosher" for non mulims to enter a relegious mosque, i don't have a problem with it.