Swine Flu Vaccine Suspicions

MrBishop said:
Depends on where you get them...flu shots (seasonal or otherwise) aren't always free.
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Also depends on your 'status'. Anyone who'd ever had chemo - free. Work in a school - free. Kids under x years old - free. over xx years old - free. At least, that's it for the standard flu shot.
 
I did make it to college for a year, y'know. And then another year after that. Plenty of time to take in a few sweeds.
 
Ontario offers it no-fee for all so I was surprised to find out Quebec doesn't. Wow.
 
"The Earth can't take 6.5 billion people. We just can't feed that many. So what are you going to do? Kill as many as you can. We have to develop a science that kills them and makes it look as though they died from some disease," Farrakhan said, adding that many wise people won't take the vaccine.
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Farrakhan also believes that the AIDS virus was invented to kill Black people, ancient Africans were an advanced civilization which had vast cities and invented the airplane, and that White conquerors in Africa wiped out all traces of these marvels. They did this so well that there has yet be found the most rudimentary of basic inventions such as the wheel, the simplest natural machine.

He also claims to have had a vision of being taken up in a spacecraft "a Wheel, or what you call an unidentified flying object". He had this vision while in Mexico. He probably ate some peyote ... or a bad burrito.
 
jimpeel said:
Farrakhan also believes that the AIDS virus was invented to kill Black people, ancient Africans were an advanced civilization which had vast cities and invented the airplane, and that White conquerors in Africa wiped out all traces of these marvels. They did this so well that there has yet be found the most rudimentary of basic inventions such as the wheel, the simplest natural machine.

He also claims to have had a vision of being taken up in a spacecraft "a Wheel, or what you call an unidentified flying object". He had this vision while in Mexico. He probably ate some peyote ... or a bad burrito.
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Oh come now Jim lets not join the battles so quickly! I too think Farrakhan is blight on the face of his cause, but well, more pressing matters....
 
How about this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/01/AR2009100104308.html

CDC Reports 28 Flu Deaths Among Pregnant Women

By David Brown
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 2, 2009

In a reminder that the new strain of H1N1 influenza may not be as benign as originally thought, federal health officials reported Thursday that 100 pregnant women infected with the virus were hospitalized in intensive care units in the first four months of the outbreak, and 28 have died.

"What we are seeing is quite striking," said Anne Schuchat, a physician at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta who is helping direct the government's response to the pandemic.

"The obstetric caregivers here, and the ones that we're speaking with [around the country], have rarely seen this kind of thing in practice," she said at a weekly briefing. The 28 deaths occurred between the emergence of the strain in late April and the end of August.

Until this outbreak, hospitals were not required to report to public health authorities deaths from influenza, except in children. As a consequence, the "expected" mortality of pregnant women who become ill with seasonal flu strains is not known.

However, pregnant women have been among the victims of the novel H1N1 swine flu strain since the first cases were found in April.

"Whether this is more common or people are just noticing it because we're attending to this H1N1 virus, it's difficult to say," Schuchat said. However, she added, anecdotal reports are that "doctors around the country . . . have never seen this kind of thing before."

Most previous influenza pandemics have also had what appeared to be unusually high death rates in pregnant women.

In one series of 1,350 Spanish flu cases in pregnant women in 1918, 27 percent were fatal. In the Asian flu outbreak of 1957, half the women of reproductive age in Minnesota who died of the infection were pregnant.

Pregnant women are among the five "initial target groups" that public health authorities say should be offered the pandemic H1N1 vaccine when it is available.

In the briefing, Schuchat said that 600,000 doses of the nasal-spray form of the vaccine will arrive in 25 states and cities by Tuesday. The shipments mark the start of the unprecedented effort to offer a pandemic flu shot to every American who wants one.

The orders accepted Wednesday came from about half the jurisdictions -- states, territories and some large cities with their own health departments -- empowered to distribute the vaccine.

"We know that more will be ordering tomorrow, and the next day," Schuchat said.

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Or this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/17/earlyshow/health/main5246940.shtml

NEW YORK, August 17, 2009
Weighing Possible H1N1 Vaccine Risks
Dr. Jennifer Ashton on Both Sides of Flu Vaccine Coin

(CBS) Many are concerned about whether a H1N1 vaccine will be safe. But now reports are out that a swine flu vaccine could cause GBS or Guillian-Barre Syndrome, a brain disorder.

CBS News medical correspondent Dr. Jennifer Ashton explained on "The Early Show" Monday the risk of GBS is very low -- one in every million vaccinations.

Ashton explained GBS is a rare, neurologic disorder that has elements of an auto-immune condition in that some trigger (usually an infection or rarely a vaccination against an infection) results in a progressive weakening of nerves. GBS starts in the legs and works its way up the body. Estimates are that it may occur one time out of 100,000 or one million vaccine doses. In most cases, Ashton said, patients recover approximately four weeks from the first symptoms, and 80 percent of people have a complete recovery. Some however, can die from GBS; the death rate is quoted as 2 to 3 people in 100.

And some did die from GBS in 1976 when an outbreak of swine flu at Fort Dix, N.J. prompted widespread vaccine use after one soldier died from influenza. As the flu spread through Fort Dix, it was discovered that there was the regular type of influenza, but also the swine flu. Some scientists thought it was an indication of a return of the deadly flu from 1918 that killed 50 million worldwide. They quickly developed a vaccine, but the epidemic they were fearing never happened.

However, according to Ashton, it was never determined that what happened in 1976 was caused by the vaccine. Forty million Americans were vaccinated, and 500 cases of GBS were reported with 25 deaths.

"This is actually less than -- or at most equal to -- the expected rate of this disease in the general population," Ashton told CBS News. "It is a difficult determination to make with 100 percent certainty, but for the people who were affected, and who thought it was due to the vaccine, obviously it was devastating."

But should you get the vaccine for H1N1 when it is scheduled for released in October?

Ashton said it should be a personal decision based up risk versus benefit.

"If you are at high-risk for serious complications of influenza, then if many people get H1N1, your risk of getting sick is probably greater than your risk of having a rare side effect. And the possible benefit may be life-saving for some people. You have to weigh the risks of getting influenza, and the risk of possibly dying from it."

The risk of death from H1N1, Ashton said, is roughly 1 in 1000 people. She said you should weigh that risk against getting vaccinate, which, however safe the vaccine may be, the risk is never zero.

"People need to make those difficult decisions for themselves with good education and information from reputable sources," Ashton said. "I respect both decisions. Ultimately it's up to the patient."

© MMIX, CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Of course, before you can take the vaccine you have to be able to access it. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius says she will donate 10% of all H1N1 vaccine doses beyond the first 40 million doses to foreign nations.

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Sebelius Says U.S. Will Donate Part of H1N1 Vaccine Supply to Foreign Nations Before Meeting This Nation’s Demand
Thursday, October 22, 2009
By Chris Neefus

(CNSNews.com) – Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told CNSNews.com Wednesday that one in 10 doses of the swine-flu vaccine purchased by the U.S. will be donated to other nations before the U.S. demand for the vaccine is filled.

Sebelius also told a Senate committee that vaccine production is well behind demand.

“What we said is once we have 40 million doses (of the vaccine), the donation can start,” Sebelius told CNSNews.com. “There’s an agreement (of) 10 percent donation that 11 nations have made,” she said.

HHS has ordered about 250 million doses of the vaccine, so the donation would begin after the U.S. received just 16 percent of its original order.

Sebelius made the remarks at a Senate Homeland Security Committee hearing on the government's preparations for dealing with the H1N1 flu virus outbreak. Education Secretary Arne Duncan and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano also provided testimony at the hearing.

The nation’s top health bureaucrat said the government would still donate to foreign nations part of the stock of vaccine purchased by the U.S. government despite delays in getting the vaccine to American citizens, which she said puts the nation “at the point where demand is ahead of the yield.”

“We will do our best to ramp up the production and continue to push it out the door,” Sebelius said.

When Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) had his turn to question Sebelus, he raised the issue of whether the United States was "entitled" to the vaccine more than other nations. "Why should we be more entitled, the U.S. be more entitled to that vaccine than some other country in the world?"

Sebelius responded: "Well, I think the balance is difficult. The president clearly has made it clear that his priority is safety and security of the American people, and immediately he also adds that we're a global partner. So we have joined now with 11 nations in terms of 10 percent of the vaccine will be made available to developing countries."

Sebelius said that Congress had “wisely” included funds in the last supplemental appropriations bill to allow HHS to place large orders of the vaccine well in advance.

“The orders are filled in priority terms, so we are really at the front of the line with some of these (manufacturers) in terms of getting the vaccine as it is produced,” she added.

When speaking with CNSNews.com after the hearing, Sebelius also emphasized the needs of developing countries.

Asked whether Americans should be prioritized over foreigners with the stockpile of H1N1 vaccine that HHS has ordered using taxpayer funds, Sebelius said: “Well, I think that we are trying to do both things simultaneously--participating is part of our partnership with 11 other countries in terms of donating to developing countries.”

“There’s an agreement (on) 10 percent donation that 11 nations have made, at the same time trying to get the vaccine out to Americans," said Sebelius. "What we said is once we have 40 million doses, the donation can start.”

Referring to the production delay for the vaccine, Sebelius told CNSNews.com: “We had hoped that that would be a little earlier, but we are working with these 11 nations through the World Health Organization (WHO) to help get the vaccines to countries particularly who can't purchase them. I mean, that’s really the issue is the countries who don’t have the wherewithal to purchase vaccines. We need to make available some of the vaccine that is available to the developed nations.”

When CNSNews.com tried to clarify whether the donation would happen once the delay in production was over and all of the U.S. demand had been met, Sebelius said that was not the case.

“Well, no," she said. "Forty million doses was the initial benchmark and so once that is in this country, then 10 percent of the (doses are donated), and we’ll make up the rest. That’s what the other nations are doing too--England, New Zealand, and Australia and Germany and Spain are all participating in this kind of global effort.”

HHS has ordered about 250 million doses of swine flu vaccine, both in injection and nasal mist forms, which they expect to administer through the spring. The U.S. population is about 307 million.
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