Swine Flu Vaccine Suspicions

Leslie said:
Ontario offers it no-fee for all so I was surprised to find out Quebec doesn't. Wow.
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Like I said..it depends on where you get it. If you go to a clinic or an organized center like those that will be set up in malls or schools, it's free. If your company is bringing in some nurses to administer the shots for your employees..there will be a charge, but that's to cover travel/salary. My former company had the flu shot last year for those who didn't want to go to a clinic..the charge was $10/shot. I ended up going to a local school that was set-up for the shot. Free.
 
It’s no surprise that the latest vogue in antivaccine demagoguery centers on the new H1N1 flu vaccine. Attacks on the vaccine boil down to three major arguments, each playing on different fears. These arguments may seem persuasive on the surface, but they’re not supported by the science.

The first major fear is that flu shots might actually give people the flu. In the case of H1N1, the concern is primarily with the nasal spray variation, which is made with live virus. (The injected vaccine uses dead virus.)

Even health care workers are falling for the pseudoscience behind this myth. A group of doctors and nurses in New York recently filed a federal restraining order to block administration of the vaccine — citing a fear that it could cause an H1N1 outbreak.

Though “live virus” sounds alarming, the fact is that the viruses are weakened to such an extent that they cannot grow or propagate at normal body temperature. Once these “cold-adapted” viruses leave the nose and are subjected to the higher temperatures inside the body, they’re goners. The track record speaks for itself: Live-virus nasal sprays have been widely used for flu vaccination in the US since 2003 — without incident.

Finally, the CDC estimates that the risk of someone who receives the live spray passing the virus to someone else is negligible — between 0.6 and 2.4 percent. And in any case, if the weakened virus is transmitted, it will not grow and propagate in the new host. They may inhale the virus, but they won’t become sick.

The second common concern about flu vaccine dates from a 1976 effort to vaccinate the American public against swine flu — though there was no pandemic at the time. More than 40 million people were vaccinated; of those, roughly 500 developed a potentially serious neurological disorder called Guillain-Barré syndrome. The fear is that another swine flu effort will bring another rash of GBS.

In fact, a 2003 Institute of Medicine study concluded that there may indeed have been a causal relationship between the vaccine and contraction of the disorder. However, vaccine production technology has changed significantly in the past 30 years; the IOM found no evidence that modern vaccines cause GBS. Also, the current H1N1 strain is not the same as the 1976 strain, and the vaccine is therefore different. (The CDC says it’s unlikely that anyone vaccinated in the late ’70s will be protected against the modern H1N1 strain.)

It’s also important to keep those numbers in perspective. Even if all 500 cases of GBS in 1976 were caused by flu vaccination, the incidence of the side effect was minuscule. Among those who received the vaccine, roughly 1 in 80,000 developed GBS. You’re at higher risk of being struck and killed by lightning (1 in 79,000).

The third and most frequently cited concern regarding the modern H1N1 vaccine is that it hasn’t been adequately tested and therefore can’t be considered safe. First, it should be noted that drug companies have been developing and administering flu vaccines for decades with very few side effects other then the occasional stuffy nose or mild allergic reaction. The H1N1 vaccine is made by the same manufacturers, employing the same methods they use to make flu shots and nasal sprays every year.

Second, the National Institute of Health has been conducting clinical trials of the vaccine since July, and early data indicate that the vaccine is well tolerated. Additionally, at least 44,000 people have already been vaccinated in China with reports of only 14 adverse cases — and it’s not certain that those adverse outcomes are even linked to the vaccine.

What is certain is that deaths from H1N1 infection are on the rise. According to the CDC, almost all diagnosed influenza cases in the US so far this year are from H1N1. So far, more than 40,000 confirmed and probable cases have been identified, 5,011 people have been hospitalized, and 302 people have died. The flu has become so widespread that the CDC has stopped counting individual cases.

Though it’s true that no vaccine is 100 percent effective, vaccination significantly reduces the odds of contracting influenza. A study of children aged 15 months to seven years found that the standard nasal flu spray reduced their chance of getting sick by 92 percent. In studies among people younger than 65, the standard flu shot was found to prevent the disease in 70 to 90 percent of cases.

Of course, the flu vaccination isn’t mandatory. Everyone has to decide for themself whether or not to get an H1N1 vaccine. But vaccination is our best, and safest, line of defense.
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the CDC estimates that the risk of someone who receives the live spray passing the virus to someone else is negligible — between 0.6 and 2.4 percent.
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United States population 307 million

307,000,000 x .006 = 1,842,000 new cases

307,000,000 x .024 = 7,368,000 new cases

Negligible.
 
jimpeel said:
United States population 307 million

307,000,000 x .006 = 1,842,000 new cases

307,000,000 x .024 = 7,368,000 new cases

Negligible.
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You're assuming that everyone will get the 'live' spray. Also forgetting the line immediatly afterwards.

And in any case, if the weakened virus is transmitted, it will not grow and propagate in the new host. They may inhale the virus, but they won’t become sick.
 
catocom said:
Obama Declares H1N1 Flu 'National Emergency'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/24/obama-declares-hn-flu-national-emergency/

well, time to put the conspiracy theories to rest, as they are quickly becoming fact.

More directives being considered, and next, Martial law.

just about everything thought of by the theorists has been, or is being tried.
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Very ineresting.

First they misunderestimated the the delivery of 120millionVac while only delivering 11mil, 9% of what they promised. What boobs do we have making these promises?

So because of their epic failure the are declaring emergency powers? Seems like fear mongering due to another failure of Obamason's Administration.

brb, getting canned food and 5gal water containers.
 
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is allowing the use of an experimental antiviral drug to treat severe cases of H1N1 or swine flu.

The drug, peramivir, is currently being developed by BioCryst Pharmaceuticals Inc. and is undergoing testing required for regular FDA approval.

The FDA issued a so-called emergency use authorization late Friday that allows doctors to use Peramivir, which is delivered intravenously, in certain hospitalized adult and pediatric patients with confirmed or suspected H1N1 influenza.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569568,00.html

saw this coming
none of the stuff is being developed in this country either

You decide
 
There are a lot of Canadian companies that developed retro-virals etc... we're pretty good at it. :)
 
I personally am not concerned so much about development in Canada, as
the 'over seas' outsourced sources.
 
Cerise said:
Sneeze into your elbow, or else!
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Here ya go

I don’t know how many people are worrying about this, but some observations to reassure:

1) Presidents declare national emergencies frequently to circumvent federal work rules and burdensome regulation. For example: President Bush declared a national emergency on January 13, 2009, in order to make available more funds for policing of his successor’s inauguration. From the New York Times:

he government has already set aside $15 million to help the District pay for security and medical personnel. But the District’s mayor, Adrian M. Fenty, asked for more money on January 7, citing possible crowds of 1.5 million to 2 million and “the associated stresses that would place on the city’s capabilities, particularly the medical community,” said Scott Stanzel, a spokesman for Mr. Bush.

Mr. Bush granted the request as “a precaution,” Mr. Stanzel said; if the District needs the money, it can apply for reimbursement through the Federal Emergency Management Agency. The declaration will also allow federal public health workers to join in the public safety effort.

The president’s power to declare a state of emergency is typically used after hurricanes, floods or other natural disasters, although Mr.Stanzel said presidents have occasionally declared emergencies in advance of an anticipated event.

As to the prospect of vaccination being used as an excuse for mass roundups, see this report by the Congressional Research Service.

ith the exception of the habeas corpus clause, the Constitution makes no allowance for the suspension of any of its provisions during a national emergency. Disputes over the constitutionality or legality of the exercise of emergency powers are judicially reviewable. Indeed, both the judiciary and Congress, as co-equal branches, can restrain the executive regarding emergency powers. So can public opinion. Furthermore, since 1976, the President has been subject to certain procedural formalities in utilizing some statutorily delegated emergency authority. The National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601-1651) eliminated or modified some statutory grants of emergency authority; required the President to declare formally the existence of a national emergency and to specify what statutory authority, activated by the declaration, would be used; and provided Congress a means to countermand the President’s declaration and the activated authority being sought.

By CNN’s count, the current declaration is the 5th of the Obama administration. Emergencies were previously declared for flooding in North Dakota and other severe weather conditions. The Bill of Rights is still here.

We all have enough to worry about in these hard economic times without fabricating imaginary nightmares.

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