The "A" word is back
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MrBishop
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Surprisingly calm. Used a midwife. Had a cel-phone on me for 3 months before the actual date of delivery. Didn't even have to speed to get there.
That's not the point though. Rational or not (I understand that there are cases of blocking all possibilities in the 'uber-denial' of pregnancy)... you would figure that once your period stops for more than a few months, your weight gain is in the belly mostly, your breasts enlarge adn become sore to the touch, the morning sickness etc... that even the most naive of girls would figure out that she's pregnant. If she doesn't want to tell her folx, that shouldn't be the main reason for her to wait until the end of the 10th month before sneaking out and getting an abortion. What would make her think that her folx wouldn't find out about surgery, but find out about an earlier abortion?
Fuckin' procrastination!
chcr said:
Surprisingly calm. Used a midwife. Had a cel-phone on me for 3 months before the actual date of delivery. Didn't even have to speed to get there.
That's not the point though. Rational or not (I understand that there are cases of blocking all possibilities in the 'uber-denial' of pregnancy)... you would figure that once your period stops for more than a few months, your weight gain is in the belly mostly, your breasts enlarge adn become sore to the touch, the morning sickness etc... that even the most naive of girls would figure out that she's pregnant. If she doesn't want to tell her folx, that shouldn't be the main reason for her to wait until the end of the 10th month before sneaking out and getting an abortion. What would make her think that her folx wouldn't find out about surgery, but find out about an earlier abortion?
Fuckin' procrastination!
BeardofPants
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I'm going on the assumption here that you've never been pregnant, or had a pregnancy scare yourself (well, obviously not, you ain't got the plumbing.)
When a girl finds herself with an unwanted pregnancy, chances are, she's not going to react rationally. Sure, procrastination is one possible reason why the abortion was left so late, but other factors come into play as well - money, support, whether or not she's in denial. If only it were that easy to rationally decide whether or not you want an abortion - I doubt that any woman who's had to make the decision has found it an easy choice.
MrBishop said:
I'm going on the assumption here that you've never been pregnant, or had a pregnancy scare yourself (well, obviously not, you ain't got the plumbing.)
When a girl finds herself with an unwanted pregnancy, chances are, she's not going to react rationally. Sure, procrastination is one possible reason why the abortion was left so late, but other factors come into play as well - money, support, whether or not she's in denial. If only it were that easy to rationally decide whether or not you want an abortion - I doubt that any woman who's had to make the decision has found it an easy choice.
MrBishop
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The decision doesn't get any easier as time passes. I seriously doubt that making a decision on abortion once you've been thinking about it for 30+ weeks can possibly be any easier than doing so when you're only 15-20 weeks into it.
I'm familiar with abortion and it's effects on women. I see it regularly (no details). I know that the choice isn't easy and there are more variables than there are visible stars in the sky BUT...
Not one single variable is likely to change by waiting. There will be no sudden money, no knight in shining armour, no parental turn-around in ideals. The girl in question won't suddenly be granted more time to think about it...the pregnancy won't advance any slower, or last any longer.
BeardofPants said:
The decision doesn't get any easier as time passes. I seriously doubt that making a decision on abortion once you've been thinking about it for 30+ weeks can possibly be any easier than doing so when you're only 15-20 weeks into it.
I'm familiar with abortion and it's effects on women. I see it regularly (no details). I know that the choice isn't easy and there are more variables than there are visible stars in the sky BUT...
Not one single variable is likely to change by waiting. There will be no sudden money, no knight in shining armour, no parental turn-around in ideals. The girl in question won't suddenly be granted more time to think about it...the pregnancy won't advance any slower, or last any longer.
Squiggy
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This has to be the ugliest subject to toss into a forum...I see the same people who were wishing the National Guard would open fire on the war protesters, now claiming to so respect LIFE that they must speak for the supreme rights of a fetus over all else...and now its caused by Monica. Was there ever any doubt that ANYTHING that is as much as an uncomfortable fact of life HAS to be Monica & Bill's fault...Damn those blowjobs. Anyone who has ever had or given one should be summarily executed...
a13antichrist
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The Age of Viability is generally accepted to be around 24-26 weeks. In my strongly-pro-choice opinion, anything after this time is clinical homocide. Partial Abortion? WTF? Murder, pure and simple.
Well you see, that's the problem when you teach a society to be driven by mindless retardation. All you have to do is throw a bit of fear about "The Evils" and you've half the flock on your side already. It's always a case of the intellectual vs the fearful.
It's not hard to see who's come to the evolutionary battle un-armed. The complete lack of integrity of the masses is perfectly demonstrated by taking a simple (but topical) example - GE. Were we to develop, tomorrow, a gene-therapy that completely eliminated our susceptibility to HIV, the GE-free movement would be forgotten in a second and GE would be the world's new penicillin. Ostrich - head - sand. The math ain't hard.
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Case in point.
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Gonz said:
The Age of Viability is generally accepted to be around 24-26 weeks. In my strongly-pro-choice opinion, anything after this time is clinical homocide. Partial Abortion? WTF? Murder, pure and simple.
chcr said:
Well you see, that's the problem when you teach a society to be driven by mindless retardation. All you have to do is throw a bit of fear about "The Evils" and you've half the flock on your side already. It's always a case of the intellectual vs the fearful.
It's not hard to see who's come to the evolutionary battle un-armed. The complete lack of integrity of the masses is perfectly demonstrated by taking a simple (but topical) example - GE. Were we to develop, tomorrow, a gene-therapy that completely eliminated our susceptibility to HIV, the GE-free movement would be forgotten in a second and GE would be the world's new penicillin. Ostrich - head - sand. The math ain't hard.
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freako104
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arent we versatile?(taken from George Carlin)
Squiggy said:
arent we versatile?(taken from George Carlin)
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Which is another reason to advocate abstinence. If girls aren't strong enough to face facts they need to wait until they're women & in a position to know & act accordingly.
Those who wish the NG to execute the protesters do so knowing full well it won't happen. It was also a minute minority that had gone that far. Even so, the protesters & the NG have a choice. Isn't what this is about? Choice. Where is the choice for a a viable child in utero. The one person obligated to protect is the one creating the dilemma. Her lack of foresight led to this point. She had a choice in week 6, 9, 15. She now has the authority & audacity to kill because of poor choices, from step one. At some point, somebody needs to step in & say enough is enough.
I'm not blaming Clinton for this mess. I implied that the organizations that use double standards for our leaders are losing what little integrity they have left. If one is against abortion then be against abortion, regardless of political leanings of a candidate or office holder. If one is pro abortion, the same standards need apply. The same group of women who drove a vehement malignment attack against Clarence Thomas & so opposed Robert Bork for his rulings that he was rejected. Yet they have the gall to question a sister when not one, not 3 but 5 (or more) accused the pro-abortion president of harassment, or worse. Can you imagine what they would accuse the conservatives of if the situation were reversed? Thses groups have no integrity & they have no authority to speak for the groups in which they profess to espouse an overseers role, especially when they are willing to overlook what they are promising to stop.
BoP said:
Which is another reason to advocate abstinence. If girls aren't strong enough to face facts they need to wait until they're women & in a position to know & act accordingly.
Squiggy said:
Those who wish the NG to execute the protesters do so knowing full well it won't happen. It was also a minute minority that had gone that far. Even so, the protesters & the NG have a choice. Isn't what this is about? Choice. Where is the choice for a a viable child in utero. The one person obligated to protect is the one creating the dilemma. Her lack of foresight led to this point. She had a choice in week 6, 9, 15. She now has the authority & audacity to kill because of poor choices, from step one. At some point, somebody needs to step in & say enough is enough.
I'm not blaming Clinton for this mess. I implied that the organizations that use double standards for our leaders are losing what little integrity they have left. If one is against abortion then be against abortion, regardless of political leanings of a candidate or office holder. If one is pro abortion, the same standards need apply. The same group of women who drove a vehement malignment attack against Clarence Thomas & so opposed Robert Bork for his rulings that he was rejected. Yet they have the gall to question a sister when not one, not 3 but 5 (or more) accused the pro-abortion president of harassment, or worse. Can you imagine what they would accuse the conservatives of if the situation were reversed? Thses groups have no integrity & they have no authority to speak for the groups in which they profess to espouse an overseers role, especially when they are willing to overlook what they are promising to stop.
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Absolutely. Pro-choice. Of course, the leading pro-abortion advocacy group, Planned Parenthood, is exactly that. They make you seek information about non-abortive CHOICE on their website (and in their clinics I might add). There is no looking for abortion information. It is everywhere. Once you actually find the small section about adoption, they begin using scare tactics like " Talk with an adoption counselor or lawyer before deciding on any arrangement."
Let's compare opening paragraphs shall we:
it's not until seven paragraphs later that you find this little ditty;
PRO-ABORTION. They don't weigh the choices evenly. These are the groups I despise. They block attempts at choosing abstinence education. They sue to get themselves in high schools, to pass out information and medication (STD's, contraception, abortion). They never speak either alternative "A" word in their clinics. Abortion on demand is their unofficial motto.
Don't be fooled by rhetoric. They wish to dispense with choice. They advocate PRO-ABORTION.
Squiggy said:
Absolutely. Pro-choice. Of course, the leading pro-abortion advocacy group, Planned Parenthood, is exactly that. They make you seek information about non-abortive CHOICE on their website (and in their clinics I might add). There is no looking for abortion information. It is everywhere. Once you actually find the small section about adoption, they begin using scare tactics like " Talk with an adoption counselor or lawyer before deciding on any arrangement."
Let's compare opening paragraphs shall we:
I suppose killig them is okay though.
it's not until seven paragraphs later that you find this little ditty;
PRO-ABORTION. They don't weigh the choices evenly. These are the groups I despise. They block attempts at choosing abstinence education. They sue to get themselves in high schools, to pass out information and medication (STD's, contraception, abortion). They never speak either alternative "A" word in their clinics. Abortion on demand is their unofficial motto.
Don't be fooled by rhetoric. They wish to dispense with choice. They advocate PRO-ABORTION.
BeardofPants
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Watchit. Next we'll be doing fluffy kittens and fat little puppies.
Professur said:
Watchit. Next we'll be doing fluffy kittens and fat little puppies.