The Git-Bay slippery slope

Once the leadership changes from "A government of the people, for the people, and by the people"(then) to A government for governing body, of the governing body and by the governing body" (now), we no longer have leadership. Of course, the only people we have to blame for this turn of events is...(drumroll please)...us. How many of us take our rights seriously enough to protect all of them...not just those that we like? How many of us take our responsibilities seriously enough to actually vote? How many of us have respect for our leadership? How many of us respect our military?

Bah. Might as well speak to a wall...:(
 
Gato_Solo said:
Once the leadership changes from "A government of the people, for the people, and by the people"(then) to A government for governing body, of the governing body and by the governing body" (now), we no longer have leadership. Of course, the only people we have to blame for this turn of events is...(drumroll please)...us. How many of us take our rights seriously enough to protect all of them...not just those that we like? How many of us take our responsibilities seriously enough to actually vote? How many of us have respect for our leadership? How many of us respect our military?

Bah. Might as well speak to a wall...:(
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:wave: Over here. I vote, I respect the laws, the military etc... but I can't help thining that the GVT that I put in place stopped listening to people like me the moment that someone taps them on the shoulder and says "Congratulations...you won."

Then we stop being voters and start being 'those people'.
 
MrBishop said:
:wave: Over here. I vote, I respect the laws, the military etc... but I can't help thining that the GVT that I put in place stopped listening to people like me the moment that someone taps them on the shoulder and says "Congratulations...you won."

Then we stop being voters and start being 'those people'.
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Then, perhaps, we're voting for the wrong people. We have to remember that

1. Nothing is free.
2. Promises to change the world are meaningless.
3. No matter what Congress does, they'll always get themselves a raise.
4. No matter who we vote for, they'll always vote for themselves first.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Then, perhaps, we're voting for the wrong people. We have to remember that

1. Nothing is free.
2. Promises to change the world are meaningless.
3. No matter what Congress does, they'll always get themselves a raise.
4. No matter who we vote for, they'll always vote for themselves first.
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AMEN to that , brother...but
1. If you're talking money...plenty of things are free...you don't pay with money, but with blood, sweat or tears.
2. If you can't see yourself trying to change the world, the world will never change.
3. That's what happens when you sign your own paycheck..but...you can fall out of favor.
4. There's the problem...we vote for individuals..with hidden agendas, instead of parties. It's onw big on' popularity contest. That's where the system fails.
 
2. If you can't see yourself trying to change the world, the world will never change
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beautifully said Bish. I vote but only because I worry that if I dont well I cant complain if some asshole is in office. I havent found a candidate I agree with. or if I do its very little. So its between the lesser of 2 evils.
 
The two litanies of the socially concious voter:

1. I didn't vote for the asshole.
2. I can't believe I voted for that asshole.

I'm with you, Eric. I vote every time.
 
chcr said:
The two litanies of the socially concious voter:

1. I didn't vote for the asshole.
2. I can't believe I voted for that asshole.

I'm with you, Eric. I vote every time.
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Yup. Me too. Ive had four years of the latter, following up 8 years of the former.

I'm betting you're the reverse. :D
 
MrBishop said:
AMEN to that , brother...but
1. If you're talking money...plenty of things are free...you don't pay with money, but with blood, sweat or tears.
2. If you can't see yourself trying to change the world, the world will never change.
3. That's what happens when you sign your own paycheck..but...you can fall out of favor.
4. There's the problem...we vote for individuals..with hidden agendas, instead of parties. It's onw big on' popularity contest. That's where the system fails.
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For freako...

1. I wasn't talking about just money.
2. I wasn't talking about myself. I was talking about politicians.
3. Right on the money.
4. We don't think things through to their logical conclusion. We hear what we want to hear. It goes back to number 1.
 
MrBishop said:
4. There's the problem...we vote for individuals..with hidden agendas, instead of parties. It's onw big on' popularity contest. That's where the system fails.
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It's the opposite, especially here. The individual, as a member of a party, is getting the squeeze from the ranking party members. The choice isn't yes/no on an issue anymore. It's become, follow the party line or we won't fund you at re-election time and we won't fund your constituents needs. The people have local agenda's. The party have monetary agenda's.
 
freako104 said:
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I didnt do the
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what is this in refrence to GAto? I said nothing about money at all
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Your response to Bish's number 2...about changing the world...

freako104 said:
beautifully said Bish. I vote but only because I worry that if I dont well I cant complain if some asshole is in office. I havent found a candidate I agree with. or if I do its very little. So its between the lesser of 2 evils.
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Gato_Solo said:
For freako...

1. I wasn't talking about just money.
2. I wasn't talking about myself. I was talking about politicians.
3. Right on the money.
4. We don't think things through to their logical conclusion. We hear what we want to hear. It goes back to number 1.
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I was using the queen's You...that is...anyone listening or the general you.

4. The general populace doesn't follow politics to their logical conclusion...we're raised on sound-bytes and those are aimed at emotion, not logic.
 
PuterTutor said:
Ah, I took it that he thought I should escape to the Great White North, that it was better than here. So it's even worse up there?

Luis, how are things down south, muchacho?
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Are you really considering emigration? :eek:

Weather is great, economy is stable (but slowly growing), small ammounts of money (compared to 1st world countries) are enough to live. Stay away from looking/reading about politics and instead worry about your own life, do your obligations and you can be happy and trouble free. :D :D
 
Luis G said:
Are you really considering emigration? :eek:

Weather is great, economy is stable (but slowly growing), small ammounts of money (compared to 1st world countries) are enough to live. Stay away from looking/reading about politics and instead worry about your own life, do your obligations and you can be happy and trouble free. :D :D
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Psst...Luis. Don't tell him about the mata-gringo fiesta...:lol:
 
btw, somehow i always misread the subject of this thread as "the bit-gay slippery slope" :lol:
 
Luis G said:
Are you really considering emigration? :eek:

Weather is great, economy is stable (but slowly growing), small ammounts of money (compared to 1st world countries) are enough to live. Stay away from looking/reading about politics and instead worry about your own life, do your obligations and you can be happy and trouble free. :D :D
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Can I beg you to tell that to the hundreds of thousands of illegals. Please.
 
Not the immigrants subject again...

This is what happens, many people have no education and the income for people with no degrees is very very low, not enough to be able to support a whole family. Since the lowest income in the US is greater than their local income they decide to leave their families in Mexico, work in the US, and send the money so they can barely live.

I'm not saying that there are no chances for them to make money here, is just that most of them prefer to take the easy way. :shrug:
 
I know why. I even understand the reasoning...

ah, hell, it won't stop anybody anyway. :shrug:
 
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