The protesters are supporting this

Gonz said:
So, the ones who work hard & finally get in legally wasted thier time?
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I guess if you want to look at it that way, yeah. I think sending all the illegals back to wherever they came from would be a very bad thing. They provide a good deal of workforce to certain areas of our country. I know, it's work that Americans could be doing, bullshit, it's work Americans won't do. I'm not saying to just poof, make them citizens, I think we should make them got through the citizen tests like any others, but they should be allowed the chance.
 
PT, you have no idea how upsetting it is to someone who is trying to get here legally. It's quite frustrating when you realize its about a million times easier to do it illegally. You don't really see how shitty it is until you have to deal with this personally.

I don't think we ought to ship em out, but we need more severe penalties and simplified processes for getting legal immigrants here!!!
 
Illegal aliens include al qaeda & friends. Find 'em & ship 'em out with a huge tattoo on their forehead "I enter the US illegally & all I got was theis stupid Tat"
 
Ardsgaine said:
Ummm... then how do you know they're there?
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Oh, come on. Of course you're right, everything in world politics gets reported.
Ardsgaine said:
Yes it is. You're trying to invent complications so that you can spread the blame to us. You'll have to be more inventive, though, because pointing to mysterious, unknown factors isn't enough.
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They're not mysterious, or unknown. Choices have been made in the past, by those involved in the current conflict, and those who claim not to be (where do the Iraqi weapons come from?). If it was so important (and I believe it was) to free the Iraqi people, why did we leave them twisting in the wind twelve years ago. No UN backing???? I'm certainly not trying to blame us. I'm just saying that there is plenty of responsibility to go around. Trying to blame everything on Saddam is an oversimplification. It's okay though, if it makes you fell better, I don't really care who you blame or why. These are my opinions, and everbody is entitled to theirs. This in no way means that I'm going to stop spouting mine.:D
 
RD_151 said:
He doesn't sound that radical, but then again, a lot of it is how he says it.
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Yeah... there's being wrong, and then there's being an ass. He's probably more ass than wrong, but when he's right it just makes it that much worse that he's an ass... if you get my point.
 
Gonz said:
Illegal aliens include al qaeda & friends.
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Yeah, I agree with keeping them out... I just don't think we should try to keep everyone else out. The only reason it's done is to protect our labor force from competition. So instead of having people come here to work for American companies, our companies end up going overseas for cheaper labor.
 
chcr said:
Oh, come on. Of course you're right, everything in world politics gets reported.
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Uh... that's not the point. The point is, you can't use "unknown factors" as part of your argument. It's just empty air, it doesn't support anything.

chcr said:
If it was so important (and I believe it was) to free the Iraqi people, why did we leave them twisting in the wind twelve years ago. No UN backing????
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Well, that's a good question, but it doesn't mean that the war isn't Saddam's fault, it just means that it should have been fought 12 years ago.
 
PuterTutor said:
Unfortunately, there isn't always another option Freako, can you think of one? I can tell you right now, telling him to step down would have never worked.
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either get his palace or assassinate him. im against violence but want sadam out of power.
 
Gonz said:
then realizing the product dropped in quality, they come back.
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Not necessarily. A lot of jobs have gone over and they're not coming back. When people move here, they need houses, transportation, groceries, utilities, etc. They create more jobs by moving here.
 
If anything, our immigration process is gonna become a whole lot easier. Ok, in the short-run there are some issues with terrorist etc etc. But, once the demographic trends start to really screw things like Social Security up, we will move to a much more open immigration policy to make sure we have enough people working to prevent SS, Medicare, and the gov't solvency. Although the rest of the world will probably follow the same pattern, especially Japan. They are in the most desparate need of workers in say 10 to 20 years than even we are. We'll be competing to attract immigrants in the future. Doesn't that sound odd. Who knows, it could happen :D
 
freako104 said:
either get his palace or assassinate him. im against violence but want sadam out of power.
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Looks great on paper. In life it wasn't just him. It was more than his immediate thugs. Several thousand had to die to stop the madness.
 
Gonz said:
freako104 said:
either get his palace or assassinate him. im against violence but want sadam out of power.
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Looks great on paper. In life it wasn't just him. It was more than his immediate thugs. Several thousand had to die to stop the madness.
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is there a way to get rid of those assholes without killing others jsut them?
 
freako104 said:
and im wrong how?? war kills people. thats why im against it. thats why i blame all who are involved. not saying that i dont support our troops i do and i feel they are doing the right thing by getting rid of sadam im just against war in general.
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freak104inanotherthread said:
George Washington: liberty and freedom were worth dying for and still are
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Now I'm just confused
 
Gonz said:
chcr wrote:
where do the Iraqi weapons come from?



NewsMax
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I was referring to the Russians and the French, both of whom believe (or believed at the start) themselves "uninvolved".
Ardsgaine said:
Uh... that's not the point. The point is, you can't use "unknown factors" as part of your argument. It's just empty air, it doesn't support anything.
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Uh... My opinion? My point was, in my opinion, trying to blame Saddam alone for the war in Iraq is an oversimplification of a complex situation. You and I don't know, will never know all the facts, so a sweeping generalization like that, while it sounds dramatic, is really unsupportable. For instance the French and Russians, who sold Saddam weapons in open defiance of the UN don't share responsibilty?
 
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