Sorry, you're right of course. I was thinking anyting over that limit condenses to a neutron star or black hole. It has to still be over the limit after losing mass from expansion or explosion. Incidentally, a friend of mine who was an astronomy major at Cornell when I was there had a saying: "I used to think neutronium was the densest substance in the universe, until I met you." He said it to other people too, not just to me! I always liked that joke, even if it is a little obscure. Question, though. How do you measure the diameter of a black hole?