The war worked

Uhh...ris...If you want to hide something from a sattelite, it's not too hard. It's easy to hide things from aircraft as well. All you need is some netting with leaves on it that matches the surrounding vegetation. It doesn't even have to be completely covered. It's called camoflauge netting, and the US and the UK use it quite effectively. ;)
 
How can you say it wil be a Democracy? A country as devoutly religious as Iraq will vote for a "religious leader" , one which will not be friendly to the USA . There is no way that after all this Iraq will be turned over to a "Religious " Ruler and the only way the USA can keep that from happenign is to prop up a Puppet Government.
 
A.B.Normal said:
How can you say it wil be a Democracy? A country as devoutly religious as Iraq will vote for a "religious leader"
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Exactly right.
Once again, people make the mistake of thinking that the Iraqis will think like we do. They don't, they won't, there is no reason why they should (or why we should expect them to).
 
I also notice that even though the hostilities have ended, U.S. soldiers are still getting killed. 9 this week. Sounds "hostile" to me.
 
HeXp£Øi± said:
It will be largely run by the U.S.
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That's not really an answer Flav. It doesn't work both ways. Either it will be or it won't be but it can't both be run by the US and be a democracy. The Iraqis would never stand for that.
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The Iraqis will stand for whatever we force them to. Which is a U.S. controlled government.

It sure won't be any kind of real democracy.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Uhh...ris...If you want to hide something from a sattelite, it's not too hard. It's easy to hide things from aircraft as well. All you need is some netting with leaves on it that matches the surrounding vegetation. It doesn't even have to be completely covered. It's called camoflauge netting, and the US and the UK use it quite effectively. ;)
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intelligence and surveilance need not merely be airborne. if the intel was good enough to be absolutely certain of existence then they must know somehting concrete about what was being looked for that is above sat pics. single source info is not generally trusted [the 45mins to use info was single source apparently and was included in the dossier under some protest, source.

the intel has been politically spun on iraq it seems - the threat was played up some. the credinility of this conflict stands somewhat tarnished.

as for the democratic arrangement there, i will reserve judgement until it is laid out properly. i will not be impressed if certain groups are banned from standing, however politically bad they might be, as this makes a mockery of the democracy we stood to protect.
 
Good points, ris, but too many folks were against this whole thing from the beginning, however noble their cause seemed.

Now that the major fighting is over, the anti-war folks are also against any kind of rebuilding effort we seem to be planning. Funny thing about that is that nobody else has any workable plan except to be against what the coalition is doing. Not much of a moral backbone to be just against something. Show us what you've got, do what you can, or shut-up and try to help those who are doing something. :grumpy:
 
:confuse3: I'm not against the rebuilding effort. I do see some hypocrisy in the way its going, but nothing that angers me....so far. :D
 
Gato_Solo said:
Now that the major fighting is over, the anti-war folks are also against any kind of rebuilding effort we seem to be planning.
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Who said they were against rebuilding?

I'm against handing shady open-ended contracts to certain companies without any bidding, but by all means we should rebuild.

Not much of a moral backbone to just say people are against rebuilding.
 
chill out, it was nothing to do with moral backbone, flav, more to do with linkage ;)

i am sure those in government can give a great long list of reasons why it was prudent to use those companies withouta bidding process - speed, availability of service, etc. however, it looks bloody shady to the rest of us that it happens to go to companies that those in office have/had close links with.

it really doesn't help that it seems the us is the only country giving and recieving contracts. that's not to say 'waaaa we helped so we want some' but in part that is true. the other thing that is true is that there are companies from other countries that are also very experienced and may offer things not available from the us.

i'm interested to see what is being rebuilt and in what priority. the needs of the people of iraq could be very different from the coalitions. rebuilding oil wells and docks is great but is what is needed more basic - clearing away munitions [cluster bombs for a start], returning electricity and water, achieving security.
 
Actually, I'm all for the US, the UK, Australia, Poland, and any other country that helped out getting all contracts, and those that didn't getting nothing.

Flavio, I've had you on ignore since I got that PM from Leslie. Rant all you want, because it falls only on those who want to listen to your rambling. ;)
 
That's the wonderful about the United States - the right to completely bury your head in the sand the instant someone suggests something that goes against your spoon-fed ideas.
 
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