Universal Service

[spike]

I never said people should get welfare checks in return for serving in Comrade Obamovich's compulsory civilian national service program.

No you said they would...not should.

So the questions are:

What welfare checks for people performing national service are you referring to?

Who's getting these welfare checks you speak of? High school students?

Where is the lie exactly in those questions Cerise?

Can you explain the relationship between national service and welfare checks that you're so concerned about after you answer these other questions please?

I'm asking nicely

 

[Cerise]

No you said they would...not should.

It's strange, but I looked through my last 12 posts, since when you first started to pursue the lie that I said something that I actually didn't say, and I can't seem to find the word "would" in any of them.


Would you care to provide a link to where I said "would.....not should?"

 

[Leslie]

You guys are wrecking all the threads in here with all your 'mine's bigger' and 'no I didn't' 'yes you dids' and the 'nyah nyahs' and it's really really sucky of you.

This one could've been good and now it's ruined. Bah.

 

[chcr]

You guys are wrecking all the threads in here with all your 'mine's bigger' and 'no I didn't' 'yes you dids' and the 'nyah nyahs' and it's really really sucky of you.

This one could've been good and now it's ruined. Bah.

Besides, everybody knows mine's bigger.

 

[paul_valaru]

No, MINE IS!

in caps, so it HAS to be true.

fear the caps, the caps have power

(I wonder if that is where they got "pop a cap in yo ass" the rappers aren't gansters, they are geeks)

 

[spike]

Sorry Leslie,

To get back on track it seems like the major objection from those against it is Welfare related.

It's unclear to me how public service relates to welfare as it really doesn't fit the definition at all. You can get college tuition for public service already, you can also get college grants without public service now.

So it seems strange to be so alarmed at this public service plan.

 

[Cerise]

Sure. Keep in mind "the definition" is about to CHANGE. "Already" and "now" will soon be a memory.

I forgot: You fall into that age group, don't you? Maybe you can be one of the "youth instructors" and happily fulfill Chairman Obama's wishes.

Recall that Obama has said: “But it’s also important that a president speaks to military service as an obligation not just of some, but of many. You know, I traveled, obviously, a lot over the last 19 months. And if you go to small towns, throughout the Midwest or the Southwest or the South, every town has tons of young people who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s not always the case in other parts of the country, in more urban centers. And I think it’s important for the president to say, this is an important obligation. If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some.”

Simply a delightful turn for all those young men and woment who voted for Obama because he was going to "end the war" don't you think?

Remember when you serve that patriotism comes from the heart, not conscription. 'Tis a dilemma.

 

[spike]

Sure. Keep in mind "the definition" is about to CHANGE. "Already" and "now" will soon be a memory.

What is it that you are trying to say exactly?

I forgot: You fall into that age group, don't you?

Nope.

Simply a delightful turn for all those young men and woment who voted for Obama because he was going to "end the war" don't you think?

He is making plans to end the war. Again, do you have any point you'd like to share?

Maybe instead of this fluff and vaguaries you could just tell us what is it exactly about the plan to increase national service that you find so alarming? And what is the connection to Welfare that you're so concerned about exactly?

 

[GrandCaravanSE]

perhaps rabbit, perhaps, but not due to the lack of capitalization.

but given that you are 15, it's hard to imagine you're making moolah hand over fist. though certainly there are other forms of hand over fist going on. i know there were when i was 15.

If he is 15, then he is smarter our just cares more than 95% of his generation, hell even mine don't care about anything that goes on in the news.

 

[chcr]

I honestly thought Obama said he was going to get us out of the meaningless clusterfuck in Iraq and send more troops to Afghanistan where the folks who perpetrated 9/11 still are (and are as strong as ever if not stronger).

None of which has anything whatsoever to do with an opinion advanced, not by Mr. Obama, but by his new chief of staff, Mr. Emmanuel.

 

[Gonz]

No, MINE IS!

in caps, so it HAS to be true.

fear the caps, the caps have power

(I wonder if that is where they got "pop a cap in yo ass" the rappers aren't gansters, they are geeks)

caps pale in comparison to [size]

MINE IS THE BIGGEST...end of story

I honestly thought Obama said he was going to get us out of the meaningless clusterfuck in Iraq and send more troops to Afghanistan where the folks who perpetrated 9/11 still are (and are as strong as ever if not stronger).

He said lots of things. Then he learned the truth. So, he'll focus on turning us into the Soviet Americas instead (yes, GW open the path)

 

[Cerise]

I honestly thought Obama said he was going to get us out of the meaningless clusterfuck in Iraq and send more troops to Afghanistan where the folks who perpetrated 9/11 still are (and are as strong as ever if not stronger).

None of which has anything whatsoever to do with an opinion advanced, not by Mr. Obama, but by his new chief of staff, Mr. Emmanuel.

But how do you feel about Mr. I, uh, nuh, uhm, duh, uh, gharr, huh, I mean's....opinion?

 

[nalani]

Personally, I might be behind this kind of program if a bunch of questions were answered first (and I'm sure some of them were answered in one of the million links that I missed because I got tired of the 'he said, she said' thing). I mean, I would be behind my eldest son going to learn certain skills for a few months - He could learn a lot from it and would have a small taste of the life his grandfather led. He'd be able to give back to his community when they need him. It might lead to him wanting to be in the military, who knows? But what if he's already employed? Will his job still be here when he gets back? Will his pay be comparable? (He makes $30k a year and pays his own way in this world) Will he be expected to put his life on hold when a disaster strikes and if so, for how long? Again, will his job be there when he gets back? Too many open-ended questions, I think, for such a program of involuntary service.

 

[Cerise]

And those are the $10,000 questions.

 

[jimpeel]

You guys are wrecking all the threads in here with all your 'mine's bigger' and 'no I didn't' 'yes you dids' and the 'nyah nyahs' and it's really really sucky of you.

This one could've been good and now it's ruined. Bah.

Then it is incumbent on you, and others who share your opinion, to bring the thread back on topic. Are you up to the challenge or are you going to simply moan about everyone else's posts?

 

[jimpeel]

SOURCE

The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.

Involuntary servitude to the state. That is what Obama wants.

Remember PRINTZ, SHERIFF/CORONER, RAVALLI COUNTY, MONTANA v. UNITED STATES wherein the sheriff was required to do work for the federal government without pay? The law was declared unconstitutional because there is no basis for unfunded mandates to the states. There is no basis for unfunded involuntary servitude for students either. In fact, there is a specific mandate against it.

AMENDMENT XIII
Passed by Congress January 31, 1865. Ratified December 6, 1865.

Note: A portion of Article IV, section 2, of the Constitution was superseded by the 13th amendment.

Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

 

[nalani]

Then it is incumbent on you, and others who share your opinion, to bring the thread back on topic. Are you up to the challenge or are you going to simply moan about everyone else's posts?

I think that's what she's trying to do here. It does get really tiring to remind people over and over again about the topic. Geez, even in the one topic I started where I asked for no bashing specifically and over and over again that didn't help. I think there comes a time where it's incumbent on adults posting in here to remind themselves to keep to the topic. This isn't preschool, afterall

 

[GrandCaravanSE]

Mines bigger

 

[paul_valaru]

Mine is.

 

[spike]

"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free."

Actually Jim, setting a goal of 50 hours doesn't necessarily qualify as involuntary servitude.

The college part certainly doen't.

Would you like to explain how national service in exchange for college tuition is welfare like you claimed earlier? And how miltary service for college tutition is not?