Vindication III
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A.B.Normal
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Re: Vindication
Rice and Rumsfeld are the ones "going to " France and the rest of the EU looking to make a conciliatory tone.
Rice and Rumsfeld are the ones "going to " France and the rest of the EU looking to make a conciliatory tone.
Lopan
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Possibilty 1
It could be a vindication of George Bush, or maybe with Europe reviewing the arms embargo against China its a wise move. The last thing the powerful US Military industrial complex wants is China buying all of Europes high tech weapons.
Possibility 2
The exit strategy from Iraq will take many years and may involve many more thousands of American troops. As with Vietnam long drawn out conflicts where many American troops are killed, are very unpopular back home.
Theres probably many more even some historical. The Americans say to the french "If it wasn't for us you would be speaking German" The French could argue "If it wasn't for us you would still be a British colony"
It could be a vindication of George Bush, or maybe with Europe reviewing the arms embargo against China its a wise move. The last thing the powerful US Military industrial complex wants is China buying all of Europes high tech weapons.
Possibility 2
The exit strategy from Iraq will take many years and may involve many more thousands of American troops. As with Vietnam long drawn out conflicts where many American troops are killed, are very unpopular back home.
Theres probably many more even some historical. The Americans say to the french "If it wasn't for us you would be speaking German" The French could argue "If it wasn't for us you would still be a British colony"
ClaireBear
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Gato_Solo
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Lopan said:
Hmmm...possibility 2 is interesting, but the casualty rate in Iraq is less than the death rate on US highways for 3 months. Perspective, man, perspective. That's what most people don't get. ALSO...most of the people who were killed/maimed in Iraq weren't killed, or injured, due to enemy action. Are we bad drivers, or what?
Now...as for the French. Didn't we save them in more than one war?
Second...unlike the war of independence from you blokes across the pond, WWII involved quite a few more countries. Third...having been 'dissed' by the French on more than one occasion, we have forged our greatest friendships with the people we declared independence from in the first place. Kinda makes you wonder what the world would look like today if King George III would've given us representation in Parliament lo those many years ago, dunnit?
SouthernN'Proud
Southern Discomfort
Funny how France wants to make nice, now that they see who won the election, huh?
Just like it was funny how quick Iran released hostages when Reagan won over Carter. They couldn't get those hostages out of Iran fast enough. They knew Reagan would have blown a hole over there unlike any before it.
Real funny.
Just like it was funny how quick Iran released hostages when Reagan won over Carter. They couldn't get those hostages out of Iran fast enough. They knew Reagan would have blown a hole over there unlike any before it.
Real funny.
Lopan
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Perspective is media injected, The public wouldn't stop driving or drive safer knowing that more people die on the roads, than GI's have been killed in Iraq. The public don't like seeing injured and dead soldiers on TV.
It doesn't take much to change public opinion when they see daily images of little Johnny from Arkansas with his arm hanging off.
Back to the point
French peace keeping troops may also have fewer problems and be less inclined to "blow the crap" out of the locals than American troops.
I don't think many people could argue that the American army isn't really suited to this kind of peace keeping.
It doesn't take much to change public opinion when they see daily images of little Johnny from Arkansas with his arm hanging off.
Back to the point
French peace keeping troops may also have fewer problems and be less inclined to "blow the crap" out of the locals than American troops.
I don't think many people could argue that the American army isn't really suited to this kind of peace keeping.
Gato_Solo
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Lopan said:
You mean the same French 'peacekeeping' troops who blew the crap out of the Ivory Coast? The same French 'peacekeeping' troops who had snipers firing into crowds?
As for US forces killing the locals, it's not us...it's the insurgents doing that. They (the insurgents) claim that they want the US out, but spend most of their time killing Iraqi's who only want a job so they can feed their families.
Lopan
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Gato_Solo said:
Would those be the same insurgents who attacked Mosul and Falluja by air?
I think its that kind of simplistic thinking that really causes problems. You can't view a country and its people with that kind of condescending nonsense.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1398464,00.html most of the insurgents are Iraqi.
Lopan said:
Let's make this clear here & now (as well as ten gabillajillizillion times before) the only exit strategy is VICTORY! We made mince-meat out of the Iraqi army, you know, the fourth largest army in the world & the one that will whoop us 'cause they know how to fight in the desert...oops, in an urban setting...well, somewhere they can fight better than the assorted coalitions.
If fact we're so gonna get whooped that we ordered a decades worth of body bags & still they wait to get filled, mostly from old age grunts awaiting the VA to answer them.
Today, our guys are getting blown up by chickshit insurgents (read: really pissed off Ba'athists out of a cushy job) much like we had trouble in Germany with the Mongooses or Cobras or Wolverines or some other insurgent group that has gone away. We also had some headaches in Japan. Now, a majority of the problems in Iraq are not the insurgents, they are outside aggitators, more commonly referred to as TERRORISTS.
They have decided that, with the help of people like you & TG, who apparently support their actions, they will kill innocent Iraqis trying to go about their business. People who wished for freedom for over a generation. People who awaited the arriving knight...by way of the United Nations or of France or Germany or Italy or Russia or The United States. While the rest of you decided that it wasn't our business, watching hundreds of thousands of people get slaughtered at the whim of a madman & his sadistic adult children. People who made & improved & readied WMDs while the UN inspectors were busy being tied up at lunch. These weapons are either destroyed (without verificationm thus violating the UN sanctions) or well hidden or (my guess) moved to another country. The current lader of these terrorists is Abu Musab al-Zarqawi...a NON-IRAQI. A terrorist. A thug who said "We have declared a fierce war on this evil principle of democracy and those who follow this wrong ideology," There's the side you're helping. Good on you.
Ironically, the US, since standing up has not been attacked, outside a declred war zone. On the other hand, a country that cut & run (Spain) has now been attacked twice...the latest coming today.
AP said:
France, Germany & Russia have all made advances towards the US since our defeat of saddam & his wonderous army. Since freeing over 25 million prisoners in the land of the Tigris & Euphrates as well as another 25 million in Afghanistan, who, by the way, held their first ever free election. Since handing sovereignty back to the Iraqis & then assisting them in a free election.
Make all the excuses for the bad guys you want...we are kicking their ass & you are watching, helplessly & limp, from the sideline & the Americans are enjoying the show.