We Do Not Torture
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chcr
Too cute for words
Honestly, torture is and has always been a very useful tool for extracting information. In my opinion, any government that says they will not use it is:
A. stupid.
or
B. lying.
In case I wasn't clear enough, I approve of the use of torture when necessary. Or when having sex, but that's another debate, isn't it?
A. stupid.
or
B. lying.
In case I wasn't clear enough, I approve of the use of torture when necessary. Or when having sex, but that's another debate, isn't it?
Bobby Hogg
New Member
chcr said:Honestly, torture is and has always been a very useful tool for extracting information. In my opinion, any government that says they will not use it is:
A. stupid.
or
B. lying.
In case I wasn't clear enough, I approve of the use of torture when necessary. Or when having sex, but that's another debate, isn't it?
No, it isn't a useful tool. It never has been. When you torture someone, they'll tell you what you want to hear, whether it is true or not.
Bobby Hogg
New Member
Also, considering the "War on Terror" is supposedly the war of freedom against tyranny, then doesn't using methods of torture and violence sort of suggest that those ways of tyranny are the correct ways? Saddam Hussein really knew how to run a country? That is the basic admission when we strip all your rhetoric away, isn't it?
Someone had it right when they said the West's can only defeat the West - very true, if the West succumbs to paranoia and fear as a way of subjugating people. The true test of your principles is not how you apply them to yourself, but to your enemies.
Someone had it right when they said the West's can only defeat the West - very true, if the West succumbs to paranoia and fear as a way of subjugating people. The true test of your principles is not how you apply them to yourself, but to your enemies.
freako104
Well-Known Member
chcr said:Honestly, torture is and has always been a very useful tool for extracting information. In my opinion, any government that says they will not use it is:
A. stupid.
and
B. lying.
In case I wasn't clear enough, I approve of the use of torture when necessary. Or when having sex, but that's another debate, isn't it?
Now it is accurate
chcr
Too cute for words
re the Geneva Convention, None of the signatory countries abide by it if it doesn't suit their purposes, they do pay lip service to it though. I didn't make the world, I'm just trying to survive in it.flavio said:
You assume incorrectly that you know which "them and theirs" I refer to. You think it makes you a better person to place yourself above such things. I say when it comes down to brass tacks I know where I stand.flavio said:
I try to be honest with myself, and I can see that I'm just not all that civilized (neither is anyone else, civilization is a very thin and fragile veneer).Edit: This is simply the way I feel about it, you can feel how you like.
Bobby Hogg
New Member
chcr said:
Killing his enemies.
Again, torture isn't a reliable way of obtaining information. If you get dragged in on a charge you are completely innocent of, how do you react if you are tortured and threatened? You think they'll stop if you tell them you don't know anything or if you promise to tell the truth?
chcr
Too cute for words
*sigh* We're talking about apples and oranges. There is a very large difference between indiscriminate torture and using psychological and physical means to extract information from people that you know have it. We've become too squeamish as a society. It doesn't bode well for our survival.Bobby Hogg said:
Saddam is not on trial for torture, rape rooms (which aren't illegal in any case, women are property) or for killing. He is specifically on trial for using poison gas on the Kurds. Wanna bet he gets off?