IDLEchild
Well-Known Member
What is your opinion on current women rights around the world? Even in the U.S or your respective country?
In an argument which cost me a good aquataince, I stood to defend my view on how the current women's right climate isn't as bright as one would hope or think it is.
The gist of it went like this.
The opposition stated that is she is glad to be living in 2004 due to the changed view on women rights, that 100 years ago she would have not even wanted to be alive.
I stated: I agree but it hasn't changed as much as you think it has.
Opposition: Well it is a lot better than 20 years ago....change takes time and it is only a matter of time before full gender equality will be reached.
I: Full gender equality is a pipe dream and will never happen.
Opposition: Things are so far from 100 years ago, it can happen.
I: I agree that it should happen but how much has really changed? How much of todays society is reformed, open minded place rather then those who keep their true feelings inside to not come off as an asshole? To not come off as non PC.
Opposition: I have studied this issue far and wide, I don't think you can really discuss this with me in all seriousness
I: I hang out with guys....their baffling behavior and their views on women are absurd, same as it was 100 years ago except now it is very ignorant to exercise these views.
My main point was that not much has changed in social attitudes towards women or any issue for that matter. Most men still get irked when their wives make more money then they do, question their ability, make them watch the kids, make them cook or outright defy their judgement. While many educated men do not mind doing these trivial things too many men around the world have this complex.
In U.S alone it is surprising how many men still think a woman still belongs in the kitchen and must raise kids. Outside of U.S is whole another story, women aren't even allowed to think for themselves. Countries like Rawanda, Pakistan, Russia, Uzbekistan, Peru etc etc has high spousal abuse rates and the government is lax to do anything about it. Most are made to believe they brought it upon themselves....now much improvement is that from 100 years ago?
Forget about the obvious: women get paid less for same job, still don't hold as high positions and are discriminated against simply for their features. Abuses against women are wide and tolerated by governments. So I question how much has really changed.
I fully acknowledge the fact that the cause of women has been greatly furthered in the last 100 years but I can't help but feel that, that has only happened in large cities where education is stressed more. The rest of the world seems to have fallen back and not moved. Even if all this information is somehow false I can vouch for this lack of movement from personal experiences. Coming from a nation where a woman is outright thought of as a lesser human being I can safely arrive on my opinion that not much has changed.....people have just learned to hide their true feelings in order to get along.
Opposition's final rebuttal: You haven't studied feminism and women rights history so this can not be discussed with me. You offend me by saying these things
I: So personal experiences do not count? If truth offends then that isn't my fault
Oppositon leaves.
HUH? I am all for women's rights, I am on board with her vision of full equality but why be offended by the truth? These are not my opinions, but what actually happens...i derive my opinions from this. I understand I am already in deep shit for discussing women rights with a woman while not being one and in deeper shit for sharing this where I most likely will be blasted but I stand by this untill someone can provide a good enough argument against this.
In an argument which cost me a good aquataince, I stood to defend my view on how the current women's right climate isn't as bright as one would hope or think it is.
The gist of it went like this.
The opposition stated that is she is glad to be living in 2004 due to the changed view on women rights, that 100 years ago she would have not even wanted to be alive.
I stated: I agree but it hasn't changed as much as you think it has.
Opposition: Well it is a lot better than 20 years ago....change takes time and it is only a matter of time before full gender equality will be reached.
I: Full gender equality is a pipe dream and will never happen.
Opposition: Things are so far from 100 years ago, it can happen.
I: I agree that it should happen but how much has really changed? How much of todays society is reformed, open minded place rather then those who keep their true feelings inside to not come off as an asshole? To not come off as non PC.
Opposition: I have studied this issue far and wide, I don't think you can really discuss this with me in all seriousness
I: I hang out with guys....their baffling behavior and their views on women are absurd, same as it was 100 years ago except now it is very ignorant to exercise these views.
My main point was that not much has changed in social attitudes towards women or any issue for that matter. Most men still get irked when their wives make more money then they do, question their ability, make them watch the kids, make them cook or outright defy their judgement. While many educated men do not mind doing these trivial things too many men around the world have this complex.
In U.S alone it is surprising how many men still think a woman still belongs in the kitchen and must raise kids. Outside of U.S is whole another story, women aren't even allowed to think for themselves. Countries like Rawanda, Pakistan, Russia, Uzbekistan, Peru etc etc has high spousal abuse rates and the government is lax to do anything about it. Most are made to believe they brought it upon themselves....now much improvement is that from 100 years ago?
Forget about the obvious: women get paid less for same job, still don't hold as high positions and are discriminated against simply for their features. Abuses against women are wide and tolerated by governments. So I question how much has really changed.
I fully acknowledge the fact that the cause of women has been greatly furthered in the last 100 years but I can't help but feel that, that has only happened in large cities where education is stressed more. The rest of the world seems to have fallen back and not moved. Even if all this information is somehow false I can vouch for this lack of movement from personal experiences. Coming from a nation where a woman is outright thought of as a lesser human being I can safely arrive on my opinion that not much has changed.....people have just learned to hide their true feelings in order to get along.
Opposition's final rebuttal: You haven't studied feminism and women rights history so this can not be discussed with me. You offend me by saying these things
I: So personal experiences do not count? If truth offends then that isn't my fault
Oppositon leaves.
HUH? I am all for women's rights, I am on board with her vision of full equality but why be offended by the truth? These are not my opinions, but what actually happens...i derive my opinions from this. I understand I am already in deep shit for discussing women rights with a woman while not being one and in deeper shit for sharing this where I most likely will be blasted but I stand by this untill someone can provide a good enough argument against this.