Oil spill progression

catocom

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I guess I'm just frustrated with all the trolling on this board and I apologize if I offended you.

no prob, it can happen.

I used to have a Real hard time with my emotions, until I becames a manager.
I bought Tony Robbins, Dennis Waitly, and many other (self improvement tapes)
not to mention corporate management stuff.
The first one main thing I learned was self emotional management, and self mind control.

I use it almost daily, consciously.
 

valkyrie

Well-Known Member
No ma'am I have thought it through.

They have been put into a situation where they are not to blame but they are to blame if they cannot find an alternative. No fish in my background but some farming there...not much different. Every watch your grandad plow with a mule? I have. When the freeze came, he was devastated. Then he got up & did it all again. If you're gonna have a business, you better have an alternative.

Ask GM.
I have not watched my granddad plow with a mule. He was a mechanic.

The fishermen can't go out with their nets in the oil. The freeze only changed the weather and the sun came back. This oil spill is as if someone dumped barrels of oil on your grandfather's land. It would take years for it to be restored and in the meantime, how would he pay his bills and feed his family? He would have to leave the land and go find another field of work.
If the fishermen get a check, we should too, right?
No. We are not entitled to a check from this. I don't see the connection between the oil spill and what we do, so this makes no sense to me. How do you see that you (and I) are entitled to money?
 

valkyrie

Well-Known Member
no prob, it can happen.

I used to have a Real hard time with my emotions, until I becames a manager.
I bought Tony Robbins, Dennis Waitly, and many other (self improvement tapes)
not to mention corporate management stuff.
The first one main thing I learned was self emotional management, and self mind control.

I use it almost daily, consciously.
I think that's pretty cool.

When I was a young lass on the message boards I had a rep for flaming. I could flame someone so hard they shit charcoal for a week (which often ran off the weaker members). The victims were often the dumb-asses who trolled so no one would mind if I opened a can of whoop-ass on them. I've never beaten down anyone who can hold an intelligent "conversation" on a message board, even if their opinion was different than mine. Usually I hung out on boards that were not managed much. As I've matured, I've learned not to let stupid people bring me down to their level and make me stupid with them. Sometimes I slip, but I've gotten better. I do not invest my ego in message boards. I do not give a shit what the other members think of me. They can like me for who I am, or they can not like me for who I am. Some do not like me for who I am not. It does not make a difference to me. I only have my own standards to live up to.
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
This oil spill is as if someone dumped barrels of oil on your grandfather's land.

Not the same. Oil, dumped into soil, stays for years. Though, after a year or two, it's arable again. Oil, dumped into seawater, gets washed away by the seawater in a few months & is broken down rather rapidly. The main concern, at the moment, is the impact to the beach.

No. We are not entitled to a check from this. I don't see the connection between the oil spill and what we do, so this makes no sense to me. How do you see that you (and I) are entitled to money?

People (and the administration) have suggested BP get sued for the lost income. Well, if BP can get sued for accidents, why can't we sue for intentional acts? (gov't forcing borrowers to loan to deadbeats)
 

valkyrie

Well-Known Member
Not the same. Oil, dumped into soil, stays for years. Though, after a year or two, it's arable again. Oil, dumped into seawater, gets washed away by the seawater in a few months & is broken down rather rapidly. The main concern, at the moment, is the impact to the beach.
Having lived most of my childhood by the sea I can tell you that this is a very bad situation for the oyster beds and for certain fish. The blue fin tuna spawns in these waters. It will take years for the sea life to recover. Just like it would take years for the soil to recover.

People (and the administration) have suggested BP get sued for the lost income. Well, if BP can get sued for accidents, why can't we sue for intentional acts? (gov't forcing borrowers to loan to deadbeats)
Accidents, no... negligence, yes. The courts will determine if the accident was caused by negligence and award for damages accordingly. There is a difference between accidents caused by nature and accidents caused by negligence.
 

Cerise

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Since YOU brought the subject up......

When I was a young lass on the message boards I had a rep for flaming. Usually I hung out on boards that were not managed much.

.....is that your excuse.....or your reason?? :shrug:
 

valkyrie

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Because, we all know, they aren't biased & they have such a lengthy & articualte knowledge of oil rigging.
Judges do not have knowledge of every situation. They are not omnipotent beings. This is why there are 2 sides that argue their cases before the judge and jury.
 

valkyrie

Well-Known Member
And the trolling continues, unabated. :rolleyes:

Is there an admin who can pull this festering tick off of my skin? Please!
 

Cerise

Well-Known Member
And since you WHINE so much about "trolling" and since you ADMIT you've come from boards that have no "management" it is obvious by your demeanor you yearn for the good ol' days when you could freely be a 'NET GANGSTA.


:rolleyes:
 

valkyrie

Well-Known Member
Looks like the finger is being pointed in all directions.
BP, subcontractors: Spill is the other guy's fault
By Steve Hargreaves, senior writer May 11, 2010: 10:51 AM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The three oil companies primarily involved in the Gulf of Mexico oil spill blamed each other Tuesday for the accident last month that left 11 workers dead and oil still spewing into the Gulf.

At a hearing before the Senate Energy and natural Resources Committee, BP (BP), the well's owner and lead operator of the project, sought to turn attention to the valve that was supposed to shut off the well in case of an accident. The valve, known as a blowout preventer, is owned by drilling rig operator Transocean, which was contracted to drill the well for BP.

"Transocean's blowout preventer failed to operate," said Lamar McKay, chairman and president of BP America, according to prepared testimony. "Only seven of the 126 onboard the Deepwater Horizon were BP employees, so we have only some of the story."

Transocean (RIG) said the blowout preventer performed fine in tests just a week before the accident.

While it's still unclear why the blowout preventer did not work, Transocean chief executive Steven Newman said the preventer is not the ultimate cause the accident, and that it must have been a failure of the well's cementing or casing that holds the wells in place.

Either way, Transocean said it's the responsibility of the well's owner to set all specifications for the drilling process, including dictating how the well is drilled, how thick the steel walls will be, and the composition and timing of mud injections and cement injections.

"All offshore oil and gas production projects begin and end with the operator...in this case, BP," said Newman. "Here was a sudden, catastrophic failure of the cement, the casing, or both. Therein lies the root cause of this occurrence."

The well's cementing was done by Halliburton (HAL, Fortune 500). But Halliburton's chief safety and environmental officer, Tim Probert, said responsibility also lay with BP.

"Halliburton, as a service provider to the well owner, is contractually bound to comply with the well owner's instructions on all matters relating to the performance of all work-related activities," said Probert. "Halliburton is confident that the cementing work on the well was completed in accordance with the requirements of the well owner's well construction plan."

Under federal law, BP, as the lead project operator, is responsible for all clean-up costs associated with the spill. On Monday, BP said it has spent $350 million on cleanup and related costs so far.

Oil spill costs: What will BP really pay?

But damages caused by closure of fishing grounds, shipping lanes and tourist spots could exceed the cleanup costs, and it's unclear which party will pay those or how much they'll add up to.

While the subcontractors are thought to have some legal reprieve from BP and the federal government, lawyers say they could still be open to lawsuits from fisherman or other impacted by the spill.

Ultimately, experts have said total costs could range from $2 to $14 billion or higher, depending on when the leaking well is closed and where the oil washes ashore.

Efforts are still underway to close the well, which is leaking some 200,000 gallons of oil into the Gulf each day
 

catocom

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I'm still trying to figure out why a foreign company is drilling off our shores to start with.
Just be casuse they are a supposed ally?
 

valkyrie

Well-Known Member
I'm still trying to figure out why a foreign company is drilling off our shores to start with.
Just be casuse they are a supposed ally?
Money. This is the history of the Deepwater Horizon.

There are no limitations for drilling contracts in the US that keeps those contracts in the hands of US companies, to my knowledge. (Anyone is welcome to correct me if you can find a link that shows different.)

So before I go further are you talking about Transoceanic (owner of Deepwater Horizon oil rig) or BP (the lease holder of Deepwater Horizon and to drill) or both? I think Transoceanic moved to Switzerland (for tax purposes) but was originally a US company.
 

catocom

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referring to BP mostly, but makes me wonder about who else has contracts.

I also haven't heard anything else about the 'China drilling off Cuba's coast' thing.
I wonder if they are in operation.
 

MrBishop

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referring to BP mostly, but makes me wonder about who else has contracts.

I also haven't heard anything else about the 'China drilling off Cuba's coast' thing.
I wonder if they are in operation.

China near Cuba is a myth.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/06/11/40776/gop-claim-about-chinese-oil-drilling.html

As for who else has contracts... plenty of fish.
United States, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, China, Croatia, Norway, Russia, India, Japan, Scotland, Denmark, Australia, Venezuela, Poland, Brazil, Africa, Sweden, and Malaysia.
 
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