Black Friday sales up 3% over last year

jimpeel

Well-Known Member
So where is this recession? The spending belies the hype.

At my store in Longmont, a city of just over 71,000, we did $679,000 -- $254,000 of which was in electronics -- on Black Friday; and that is just one store of the many here including J.C. Penny, Sears, Target, Best Buy, Big 5, Nordstroms, et al.

Our store manager projected 24% over last year and we did 39%. We are way up overall over last year. Our bonuses -- yes we get bonuses regardless of what the union hacks have told you -- will be quite good.

Of course the first question out of the gate will be "Just how much of that was credit card debt?" Yes, that credit that we cannot get right now due to the financial meltdown.

The answer is:

I

don't

know.

That's a bit above my pay grade.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,459226,00.html

Black Friday Sales Up 3 Percent From Last Year

Saturday, November 29, 2008

CHICAGO — The nation's retailers got a much-needed sales boost during Black Friday's traditional shopathon as consumers, lured by deep discounts, spent nearly 3 percent more than they did last year.

Sales on the day after Thanksgiving rose to $10.6 billion, according to preliminary figures released Saturday by ShopperTrak RCT Corp., a Chicago-based research firm that tracks sales at more than 50,000 retail outlets.

Last year, shoppers spent about $10.3 billion on the day after Thanksgiving, dubbed Black Friday because it was historically the sales-packed day when retailers would become profitable for the year.

While it isn't a predictor of overall holiday season sales, Black Friday is an important barometer of people's willingness to spend during the holidays. Last year, it was the biggest sales generator of the season.

But experts caution that this year's sales growth may be hard to sustain for the remainder of the holiday shopping season, which has 27 days between Thanksgiving and Christmas instead of the 32 last year.

Still, the sales boost was surprising (Note how they are always "surprised" -- j) in light of data showing shoppers are scaling back on discretionary spending because of a recession fueled by uncertainty related to turmoil in the world's financial and credit markets.

"Under these circumstances, to start off the season in this fashion is truly amazing and is a testament to the resiliency of the American consumer, and undeniably proves a willingness to spend," ShopperTrak co-founder Bill Martin said in a statement.

Across the country, sales in the South were up 3.4 percent from last year while they climbed 2.6 percent in the Northeast as shoppers began scouring store aisles at midnight hoping to snag the best selection on early morning specials.

Patty Saal, 60, of Mogadore, Ohio, began her Black Friday shopping at 5 a.m. when she and her daughters went to a Sam's Club to purchase iPods.

"We're doing fine," she said.

Fifth grade teacher Daphna Stepen, 42, spent Black Friday hunting for deals inside Macy's and at the Limited Too clothing store and headed out again on Saturday. The Chicago resident said she was surprised by the discounts as well as how many coupons she'd received from stores, which helped her save even more money on already marked-down items.

"You can get almost 40 percent off stuff if you work the coupons," she said.

Separately on Saturday, J.C. Penney Co. Inc. said business was strong in its sites across the country as customers responded to sales. Some of the department store's best sellers were smaller electronic gadgets and practical gifts, such as sweaters, boots, coats and luggage.

But the chain said it wouldn't provide specific sales figures.

"In light of the challenging and volatile economic climate, and shifts in this year's retail calendar, we don't believe that reporting sales data for any one day (or weekend), including Black Friday, would provide a meaningful barometer of our business," the Plano, Texas company said in a statement released Saturday afternoon.
 

catocom

Well-Known Member
they are up because of the inflated prices around.:blank:

They jack them up, so thay can cut them in many cases.

I saw many Deals, that weren't Deals at all.
 

jimpeel

Well-Known Member
Well, did a lot of people that came through your line pay with credit cards?

Actually, the sales seemed to be about the same proportions of check, debit, credit, and cash as usual. I didn't see any obvious change. Of course, checks, debits, and cash are all considered cash transactions. So are gift card redemptions.
 

nalani

Well-Known Member
many people are just spending beyond their means ... they'll let other bills fall to the wayside during the holidays because these special deals are just 'too good to let go' ...

I stayed far away from any store on Friday .. far, far away ... don't have the money or the patience for that kind of shopping.
 

Inkara1

Well-Known Member
If I were to take advantage of Black Friday specials, I would have to use my highest-interest card. It's all paid off now and I'd like it to stay that way, but it's the card that has the room now. Otherwise, I'll just have to wait until my paycheck a week from Wednesday because my most recent paycheck is going to pay the mortgage, space rent, light bill, etc.
 

2minkey

bootlicker
Another educated & well thought out answer to a real world post. Keep 'em coming oh wise & sage one.

right. like my light-hearted comment was any more annoying than your constant sturm und drang ideological blather.

:rofl2:
 

JTP

New Member
Black Friday Trampling Deaths Up 100% Over Last Year

Save gas, and maybe save a life- Shop Online!
 

jimpeel

Well-Known Member
Once again the MSM shits on positive news

http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081203104833.aspx

Networks Darken 'Black Friday'
Broadcast journalists marginalize increased turnout, spending; focus on downbeat angles of holiday shopping.

By Matt Philbin
Business & Media Institute
12/3/2008 12:20:55 PM


As a group, broadcast network journalists are incredibly adaptable. When their grim prophecies refuse to fulfill themselves, they persevere and find the clouds in the silver linings.

In the run-up to “Black Friday,” the unofficial start of the holiday shopping season, the media relentlessly built up the day’s significance as a barometer for the rest of the year while predicting “weakness,” “negative trends” and “gloom.”

The New York Times predicted “weak sales,” citing estimates of a 5-percent decline in sales from 2007. (and they were wrong -- j) On CBS Thanksgiving Day, reporter Seth Doane warned that “89 percent of shoppers plan to spend the same or less than they did last year.” (and they were wrong -- j)

When Black Friday turnout and sales beat expectations, journalists were unperturbed. They found grim explanations for the increased sales. And besides, they noted, a good Black Friday does not a successful holiday season make.

“But while crowds may have rivaled those of last year, discounts seem to be on everyone’s shopping list,” Michelle Miller said on CBS’s “The Early Show” Nov. 29. NBC’s Amy Robach said on the Nov. 30 “Nightly News” there was “reason for concern among retailers who fear those crowds were driven by deep discounts.”

In spite of the media’s negative expectations for Black Friday, American consumers shopped anyway. But even after being proved wrong, journalists couldn’t let go of the doom-and-gloom angle to report some much-needed good news about the economy. Instead, they spun the good news as bad.

Bleak Friday Forecasts

“It’s 9 a.m. on Black Friday. Tumbleweeds roll through the food court of a ghost-mall. At The Limited, a broken shutter slams in the dusty wind…”

No reporters actually said or wrote this, but the media clearly expected consumers to avoid the stores in droves. Armed with a National Retail Federation (NRF) survey estimating that 7 million fewer people planned to shop during the Thanksgiving weekend, they conjured an atmosphere of consumer dread. (and they were wrong -- j)

“For the holiday season as a whole, retailing analysts expect weak sales,” The New York Times reported on Nov. 28. “Standard & Poor’s Equity Research is predicting a 5 percent decline, calling the holiday shopping season ‘the gloomiest in recent decades.’ (and they were wrong -- j)

“The National Retail Federation, which made one of the more optimistic predictions, said sales would increase 2.2 percent, well below the average 4.4 percent yearly increase retailers have enjoyed for the last decade.” The Times couldn’t resist this bit of editorializing: “The only real winners this season are bargain-hunters with money to spend.”

CBS “Evening News” reporter Seth Doane cited a survey Nov. 27 indicating that even if consumers did hit the malls, they wouldn’t be buying as usual. (and they were wrong -- j) “Eighty-nine percent of shoppers plan to spend the same or less than they did last year,” he said. “Only 11 percent plan to spend more.” In case viewers didn’t get the gloomy picture, Doane tossed in this factoid: “…11 percent of shoppers have not yet paid off their holiday shopping debt from last year.”

Over at ABC “World News,” retail analyst Kate McShane gave reporter Gigi Stone her take Nov. 27. “Things aren’t very rosy for Black Friday. I think, you know, we’ve seen some pretty negative trends going into November,” McShane said. (and they were wrong -- j)

Not to be outdone, Stone managed to cast a pall over even the sales that would be made. “Analysts do expect this year’s bigger sellers to be in home entertainment, because so many people are staying home to save money these days,” she said.

Cut to Black Friday itself. NBC “Today” co-host Amy Robach introduced a report Nov. 28 from Margaret Brennan. “It is the day retailers hope to move their balance sheets from red losses to black gains. But with the economy tanking, they won’t be seeing as much green in their cash registers this year.” (and they were wrong -- j)

Brennan then recounted the measures retailers had been taking to draw in shoppers – bigger sales starting earlier in the season. “Stores have to make the most of what may be the weakest season in 20 years,” she said.

Pessimistic expectations for Black Friday were important, journalists insisted, because Black Friday traditionally serves as a bellwether for the rest of the holiday shopping season.

On Nov. 23, NBC “Nightly News” fill-in anchor Lester Holt called Black Friday “a giant barometer on the true state of the economy."

Two days later on Nov. 25, “Nightline” anchor Martin Bashir noted, “In a typical year, this three-day surge around the shops known as Black Friday weekend can account for up to 40 percent of retailers’ annual sales.”

On Nov. 27, The Washington Post characterized the next day as “the moment of truth for retailers in this unhappy holiday season…when retailers can ring up as much as half of their annual sales.” The same day, The Los Angeles Times stressed that, “A disappointing Black Friday would be a major blow to retailers that are counting on holiday sales to pull them out of a months-long sales slump. Analysts are predicting a spate of retail bankruptcy filings in January.”

No Good Number Goes Unspun

As it turned out, Black Friday was awfully bright for retailers – and consumers, who clearly weren’t feeling as hard-pressed as reporters made them out to be.

The NRF estimated that 172 million people shopped in stores or online over the weekend – 25 million more people than shopped during the same time in 2007. The average shopper spent more than $370 – 7 percent more than in 2007.

As Black Friday unfolded, reporters like NBC’s Brennen were acknowledging the huge consumer turnout, and working hard to find the dark side.

“At first glance, it looks like any Black Friday morning: aggressive bargain hunters buying before sunrise, crowded mall parking lots; even Santa Claus arrived right on time,” Brennan said on “Nightly News.” “But there’s a marked change across the nation this Black Friday. As recession fears abound, there’s a new consciousness of what it means to spend.”

The next morning, CBS “Early Show” reporter Michelle Miller was so anxious to put the right spin on events that she forgot the fundamental nature of Black Friday. “Judging from the Black Friday throngs, you might not know there’s a recession going on,” she said. “But while crowds may have rivaled those of last year, discounts seem to be on everyone’s shopping list.”

Apparently, in years past it was the crowds, the noise and the prospect of physical combat over the last “Tickle-Me Elmo” – not the deep discounts – that attracted Black Friday shoppers. (BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -- j)

During ABC’s “Good Morning America Saturday,” Gigi Stone dutifully noted the good news before getting to the point. “Early reports from Macy’s, Best Buy and KB Toys are that Friday’s crowds were similar in size to last year’s,” she said. “But more important to retailers is how much they’re buying, and at what price.”

“They’re marking everything down across the board,” said retail analyst Lori Wachs, “which is a pretty disastrous scenario for the retailers. But it’s a paradise for the consumers.”

And the media retail disaster rolled on, impervious to the good news. "But despite what may prove to be a good start, there is reason for concern among retailers who fear those crowds were driven by deep discounts,” said Amy Robach on NBC "Nightly News" Nov. 30. “In addition, more of those shoppers surveyed said they are already close to finishing their holiday shopping this year.”

The next evening her colleague Maria Bartiromo hit that note again. “The crowds thinned out as the weekend progressed, suggesting shoppers were drawn by deep discounts, which may not help retailers’ bottom lines,” Bartiromo said Dec. 1.

She turned to NRF spokesman Scott Krugman, who obliged by downplaying Friday’s figures: “While it’s great that Black Friday started off strong, you want to see that, it’s not an indicator about how well the rest of the holiday season will do.”

That’s a starkly different message than the media were presenting before Black Friday, when they characterized the day as a “giant barometer” and a “moment of truth” for the holiday shopping season.

At the same time on CBS, Michelle Miller assured Katie Couric that retail’s hard times weren’t over. “Most experts say the Thanksgiving holiday bounce did little to recoup the reduced consumer spending so far this year,” she said. “And, Katie, to make matters worse, there are five fewer shopping days than usual between now and Christmas.”

Now that part about how there are "five fewer shopping days than usual between now and Christmas" that is pure bunk. There is no "usual". The number of days between Thanksgiving and Christmas varies every year because Thanksgiving moves around while Christmas is always on the same date.
 

2minkey

bootlicker
jim, you're doing it again.

you're taking one factlet and projecting it as a generalization.

overall sales are down so far in the holiday period.

economic indicators like new jobless claims are the worst they've been in two decades. there's a host of other indicators showing negative trends.

you're just making yourself look silly.

again.
 

GrandCaravanSE

Active Member
I got a call from my mom last night, she said since the economic depression the store she works at has had less sales. due to less sales the store will have to cut hours so they don't have to layoff anybody. well she was pissed after the schedual came out this week, everybody including her has only 20 hours. she has worked there the longest, and usually puts in over 45 hours every week. the annoying thingis that the could just fire the 5 people they just hired two weeks ago to fix the problem. but instead they cut her hours down. i am a little bit bias but that is crap. i think they will find out how much the really need her in the next few weeks.
 

jimpeel

Well-Known Member
jim, you're doing it again.

you're taking one factlet and projecting it as a generalization.

overall sales are down so far in the holiday period.

economic indicators like new jobless claims are the worst they've been in two decades. there's a host of other indicators showing negative trends.

you're just making yourself look silly.

again.

Silly is not reading the thread. :rolleyes:

Did you read the article in POST #1?

The thread is about BLACK FRIDAY, not the "holiday period".

While it isn't a predictor of overall holiday season sales, Black Friday is an important barometer of people's willingness to spend during the holidays. Last year, it was the biggest sales generator of the season.
 

2minkey

bootlicker
Silly is not reading the thread. :rolleyes:

Did you read the article in POST #1?

The thread is about BLACK FRIDAY, not the "holiday period".

you've been on a tear about this whole economy and "there is no recession" thing for a while. the thread may be superficially about black friday, but we all know where you're going with it. please, keep trying to deny it. you'll just make yourself look like more of an ass.

each step brings us closer to the truth.
 
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