Hate when that happens

[catocom]

"for the 'love' of money is the root of all evil"

I was going to quote any scripture, but that really came to mind.

There are also those in the gov I'm sure that do not believe in God.
There is a limitation, not on who to vote for, but who might actually get
different positions in this gov.

I do agree with parts of what you say there, but all we can do is voice our opinion. If our representatives don't do what we like, we vote for someone else next time.

I really don't see how removing those words could help any of that.
Do they help any? I say if if helps any, or one person, it is justified being there.

We could debate PC all day, and probably never come to any understanding.

 

[Gonz]

That would mean looking after the poor and the needy first and foremost, outlawing execution and abortion.

It would also mean taking a pacificist approach to confrontation at all times and removing the accumulation of wealth and possessions as the purpose of life from society.

It would mean lifting unfair aid/trade agreements with third world nations, ending the international arms trade and ending unfathomable other un-Christian activities that the world economy revolves around.

Our poor & needy drive cars & have microwaves inside their lighted & warmed houses. They feed & clothe their children.

Pacifism is for those who can't defend themselves & others. We can & do.

There is nothing wrong with wealth & possessions. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. Mat 22:21 It is not the purpose, it is a reward. The harder one works, the bigger the reward. Beats socialism all to hell.

Unfair? By whose standard?

International arms trades keeps many alive who would otherwise die by violence at the hands of a stronger & better armed aggressor.

See, one needn't have the faith to understand the bigger picture & live life with morals & convictions, many of which are taught by the books of spirituality. The country may have its faults. We do, as a nation, strive towards the goal of perfection. Given what we've seen, historically, it's teh fairest system around. It allows the individual to become or to fail on their own merits. Sounds like a christian ethic to me.

 

[Winky]

outlawing execution and abortion.

I'll make ya a deal.
We just put the needle to only the 1,000th person since 1977
when the death penalty was put back on the books in this greatest nation of earth. So here's the offer, we will get rid of the death penalty
but outlaw all abortion except for pregnancies caused by incest or rape. Deal?

Personally If a wimens wants to kill her unborn brat I’m all for it
but there are so many people that need to be put in the ground it is a cryin’ shame we’ve only offed 1,000 in all these years?

*Blobby really don't believe the bunk he's typin' here*

 

[chcr]

"for the 'love' of money is the root of all evil"

Y'know cat, I really hope that this isn't true. If it is then we live in the most "evil" nation on earth. All you have to do to see it is to look at last Friday...

As Prof pointed out at some point, western culture generally pays lip service to religion and worships money.

 

[catocom]

Y'know cat, I really hope that this isn't true. If it is then we live in the most "evil" nation on earth. All you have to do to see it is to look at last Friday...

As Prof pointed out at some point, western culture generally pays lip service to religion and worships money.

Greed is one of the 7 deadly sins.
A lot of people mis-understand that phrase too. If you trace evil back, it comes to greed (the love of money). It doesn't necessarily mean that if you want, or
need money, that you are evil. Just if it gets to the point where you do evil things to get it.

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

I don't question God, since God doesn't answer.

I know otherwise.

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

Greed is one of the 7 deadly sins.
A lot of people mis-understand that phrase too. If you trace evil back, it comes to greed (the love of money). It doesn't necessarily mean that if you want, or
need money, that you are evil. Just if it gets to the point where you do evil things to get it.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to catocom again

 

[Gonz]

As Prof pointed out at some point, western culture generally pays lip service to religion and worships money.

I think the difference, between us & the "Godless heathen countries" (danged furriners), is most of us actually have our eye, at least, on the bigger picture. We were founded on a Judeo/Christian ethic (let's not fight specifics here, follow the generalized argument here). As a Christian nation, many of us, believers & non, want a better place & continually strive to get there. Lip service with a reminder of a greater power is better than no service whatsoever.

 

[rrfield]

We were founded on a Judeo/Christian ethic

Thank God someone here gets it.

 

[chcr]

I think the difference, between us & the "Godless heathen countries" (danged furriners), is most of us actually have our eye, at least, on the bigger picture. We were founded on a Judeo/Christian ethic (let's not fight specifics here, follow the generalized argument here). As a Christian nation, many of us, believers & non, want a better place & continually strive to get there. Lip service with a reminder of a greater power is better than no service whatsoever.

Did you watch the news at all last Friday? I'm very much afraid that we are in the minority in wanting the country to be a better place. It seems obvious to me (and has for some time) that the vast majority of Americans want our xboxes and microwaves and don't much care who gets hurt as long as we get them.

Oh, and lip service to an ethic you don't believe in is a waste of time and energy.

 

[freako104]

Did you watch the news at all last Friday? I'm very much afraid that we are in the minority in wanting the country to be a better place. It seems obvious to me (and has for some time) that the vast majority of Americans want our xboxes and microwaves and don't much care who gets hurt as long as we get them.

Oh, and lip service to an ethic you don't believe in is a waste of time and energy.

I am sure people want the country to be a better place but are more overridden with apathy and matrial possessions and the love of. As far as the ethic, couldnt there be service to an idea presented by the ethic such as respect or love thy neighbour even if you dont believe?

 

[Gonz]

...that the vast majority of Americans want our xboxes and microwaves and don't much care who gets hurt as long as we get them.

Granted, too many are that way but the news seldomly shows those who are the crusaders. Feeding the indigent, helping the helpless, clothing the poor. It's not sexy enough. The trash that bullrush JP Penneys stores are the swill left over. Every (melting) pot has some.

 

[Gato_Solo]

Did you watch the news at all last Friday? I'm very much afraid that we are in the minority in wanting the country to be a better place. It seems obvious to me (and has for some time) that the vast majority of Americans want our xboxes and microwaves and don't much care who gets hurt as long as we get them.

Guilt? Perhaps on your part, but not on mine. I actually do care who gets stepped on, but I also know that it's not near as bad as the news outlets would like you to believe.

Oh, and lip service to an ethic you don't believe in is a waste of time and energy.

Who said they don't believe in the ethics?