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[ResearchMonkey]

Gee maybe you're right, I did notice he didn't have the tell-tale marxist beard and mustache combo, then again if he had them everyone would confuse him with a Jihady.

So in a sense you right, he hasn't exactly raised the sickle and hammer over the white house and a murderer isn't really a murderer until after he kills. So lets go with he has Marxist traits;

• Stanley (girl) believed in Marxist Politics,
• Uncle Frank was member of CommieClub,
• Stanley (boy) was closet-commie,
• Obama sought Marxist education,
• Obama ran with Marxist social connections,
• Obama had numerous Marxist friends,
• Obama brought Marxist in his Cabinet,
• Obama positively speaks of Marxist ideaologies,
• Obama is a pro-union nazi (lol)
• Obama takes over GM,
• Obama is going to redistribute the wealth,
• Bankrupts nation, ideal lead into a *new* type of America

Again maybe your right, he's not as of yet full fledged Marxist, he just spent much of his life being indoctrinated with it with and a desire for fundamental change, which I believe is his own form of "Obamunism"

Again I will defer to your wisdom, Obama is a Marxist wannabe.

 

[2minkey]

• i have numerous acquaintances/friends/colleagues that are very far left wing.
• i read left wing journals from time to time, though not as often as i did previously.
• i own a copy of almost everything that uncle karl has written.
• my doctoral dissertation essentially begins with ideas that marx put forth (though having nothing to do with his political trajectory; i actually had someone kicked off my committee that wanted me write a bunch of shit about and overstate the importance of what was essentially class conflict, which i refused to do.)
• i own many, many books written by very left wing european academics.

i am not a marxist by any means... and none is this is the half-truths that your bullet point list is full of.

 

[catocom]

um. if you only read left-wing stuff on Marx,
don't you think you might be subject to receiving a skewed view on him?

 

[ResearchMonkey]

• i have numerous acquaintances/friends/colleagues that are very far left wing.
• i read left wing journals from time to time, though not as often as i did previously.
• i own a copy of almost everything that uncle karl has written.
• my doctoral dissertation essentially begins with ideas that marx put forth (though having nothing to do with his political trajectory; i actually had someone kicked off my committee that wanted me write a bunch of shit about and overstate the importance of what was essentially class conflict, which i refused to do.)
• i own many, many books written by very left wing european academics.

i am not a marxist by any means... and none is this is the half-truths that your bullet point list is full of.

I don't think I can overstate just how surprised I am by these revelations.

 

[valkyrie]

that's irrelevant here.

you call him a marxist. you are wrong. that's all.

oh, right, marxist = bad = obama so now you want me to talk about how he might be good!

Meh... you don't see what he's doing. It's the same as calling someone a Nazi because you don't agree with him/her, Mink. The "Marxist" name calling is the new "Nazi" name calling. It doesn't really mean anything if he can't explain why he believes President Obama is a Marxist. And it doesn't seem like he's able to.

 

[valkyrie]

um. if you only read left-wing stuff on Marx,
don't you think you might be subject to receiving a skewed view on him?

Cat, I don't believe this would be correct. I have several books on communist China but that doesn't mean I think communist China is the perfect government/country/society. Far from it. I believe that China is, and has been, completely fucked up. This was true with Chiang Kai Shek and far before him as well. (In fact the only politician/leader China ever had in modern times that was interested in what as best for a peaceful and prosperous China was Sun Yat Sen.) Understanding the world does not make you skewed toward one view or another. It opens your mind to understanding others and their view point. It helps you when you interact with them to understand their actions.

 

[catocom]

Understanding the world does not make you skewed toward one view or another.

no the 'understanding doesn't, but the perspective of the presenter might.

It opens your mind to understanding others and their view point.

"Opens your mind"? that sounds like something dangerous.
Who's to say the minds wasn't open to start with?

It helps you when you interact with them to understand their actions.

I'm interested in knowing the truth, but not necessarily 'interacting'.
I don't need to know "why" on every action that is taken by someone.
Some people are just psychotic.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Meh...

So let me get this straight. Obama doesn't have Marxist traits because:

• Minx is smarter than most of us .
• Mink owns some books.
• I'm an unworthy lumpenproletariat.
• Val discovered the godwin dismissal.
• I'm wrong and you're right just because you say so.

Is that about where we're at?

Hey, looky!!! here's a first hand account from a former Marxist who knew Obama for a period of time. It's only a short-teaser, but there's plenty from this guy out there.

Dr. Drew PhD in PoliSci, former Marxist.

 

[Cerise]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4

 

[2minkey]

So let me get this straight. Obama doesn't have Marxist traits because:

• Minx is smarter than most of us .
• Mink owns some books.
• I'm an unworthy lumpenproletariat.
• Val discovered the godwin dismissal.
• I'm wrong and you're right just because you say so.

Is that about where we're at?

Hey, looky!!! here's a first hand account from a former Marxist who knew Obama for a period of time. It's only a short-teaser, but there's plenty from this guy out there.

Dr. Drew PhD in PoliSci, former Marxist.

oh the drama. yes, i own some books and it's almost a statistical certainly that i'm smarter than you, okay? happy now? i just love how you can connect all this woe-is-me to obama-as-marxist.

...and you still miss the point that one may have fairly intensive contact with any number of ideological influences without taking them on.

when i became a big boy, i started making up my own mind about things.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

it's almost a statistical certainly that i'm smarter than you, okay?

I love you man!

 

[valkyrie]

no the 'understanding doesn't, but the perspective of the presenter might.

"Opens your mind"? that sounds like something dangerous.
Who's to say the minds wasn't open to start with?

I'm interested in knowing the truth, but not necessarily 'interacting'.
I don't need to know "why" on every action that is taken by someone.
Some people are just psychotic.

Always read books with the intention of gaining knowledge, not to be persuaded.

The interaction is inevitable unless you bag groceries for a living. The Globalization of business has already happened. We buy widgets or services from this country or that country. Knowing your [competitor/business partner/supplier] is always a good business practice and always has been.

There is nothing wrong with understanding and knowledge. You may not support their policies but it is good to understand how things are in say... China or India or Kenya or Germany.

 

[valkyrie]

So let me get this straight. Obama doesn't have Marxist traits because:

• Minx is smarter than most of us .
• Mink owns some books.
• I'm an unworthy lumpenproletariat.
• Val discovered the godwin dismissal.
• I'm wrong and you're right just because you say so.

Is that about where we're at?

Hey, looky!!! here's a first hand account from a former Marxist who knew Obama for a period of time. It's only a short-teaser, but there's plenty from this guy out there.

Dr. Drew PhD in PoliSci, former Marxist.

<rude!>
-You have invoked Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies because you have not proven that President Obama is a Marxist. Simply because you say it is so does not make it so.
-Whether Minks is smarter than you or not is not for me to say. But he does provide a better argument for his debate than you have. I've observed that you misuse the term "Marxist" and "Marxism" quite a lot and I'm inclined to believe that you do not understand what you write. Don't feel you are alone. There are many here who have done the same thing. They (and you) are just using the term to get a "rise" out of what you believe are your "political enemies".
"Marxism is the system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange." It is also "a theory in which class struggle is a central element in the analysis of social change in Western societies."
There is no public ownership of any business in the USA (unless you want to count publicly traded companies and their stock). This includes GM or any other business that took Government Bailout funds.

 

[catocom]

There is nothing wrong with understanding and knowledge. You may not support their policies but it is good to understand how things are in say... China or India or Kenya or Germany.

oh, I though you were talking individuals, not whole country culture.

imo, It takes quite a few sources to get the true picture,
along with eye-witness account for corroboration maybe.

I don't even believe part of what is in some of the history books in this country.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

I can't prove that Obama has a penis either. Based on what I know and if someone who has seen it say'd so, I would conclude he did in fact have one.

It's not like he would snap his finger and *POOF*, it's a process. Since there are no better expalinations for his actions.....Occams razor says obammie-the-commie

 

[valkyrie]

oh, I though you were talking individuals, not whole country culture.

imo, It takes quite a few sources to get the true picture,
along with eye-witness account for corroboration maybe.

I don't even believe part of what is in some of the history books in this country.

You are probably right to question what you read in history books. History is written by the victors.

Yes, understanding cultures from other countries.

Interesting about the eye-witness account point you make. I have a few books on the Cultural Revolution of China. One is from a woman (then a girl/teen) who was not a part of the Red Guards because her grandfather had owned land (her family was considered the "landlord class" even though they had not owned land for 2 generations, this is yet another cultural aspect of China: the child is responsible for the actions of his/her ancestors). Another book was written by a member of the Red Guard (also a teen student at the time). The separate perspectives gives a full picture of the events and the fear that the mob instilled in everyone.

 

[valkyrie]

I can't prove that Obama has a penis either. Based on what I know and if someone who has seen it say'd so, I would conclude he did in fact have one.

It's not like he would snap his finger and *POOF*, it's a process. Since there are no better expalinations for his actions.....Occams razor says obammie-the-commie

Your response didn't do anything to strengthen your argument.
Bush used cocaine and was an irresponsible drunk when he was younger. What does that prove about his character? Nothing.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Any way you slice it. Mao was one fucked up individual who should have been killed.

Can we now discuss all the good attribute of Adolf Schicklgruber?

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Bush used cocaine and was an irresponsible drunk when he was younger. What does that prove about his character? Nothing.

Neither cocaine or ETOH are ideaologies. Marxism is.

 

[2minkey]

.Occams razor says obammie-the-commie

that's the lamest invocation of occam i've seen, ever.