Party of Corruption...

[catocom]

I wonder if his daddy can buy him out of jail time

 

[spike]

After all, screwing around was OK for Slick, so what's the big dealio????

Right, like Gingrich and McCain.

Oh yeah, maybe Bush too.

 

[spike]

Go to a prostitute & fulfill the bargain.

Go home & announce it to your family-especially your spouse.

Next, encourage your daughter to sell herself & any dignity she had.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

If you see a prostitute you have to encourage your daughter to be one? If you go through a toll booth do you have to encourage your daughter to be an attendant?

What was your point exactly?

 

[spike]

Considering that Spitzer has prosecuted hundreds of the very people he has now been accused of consorting with, this rises to a new level of hypocrisy.

Yep, like when those anti-gay republicans turned out to be gay or the ....Mark Foley thing.

 

[catocom]

well, it'll suit me just fine if the statement he just gave of his resignation,
is the last I ever here from him.

 

[jimpeel]

Yep, like when those anti-gay republicans turned out to be gay or the ....Mark Foley thing.

No one is denying that the Foley scandal was hypocrisy.

Are you denying that the Spitzer scandal is hypocrisy?

Foley never sent people to jail for doing exactly what he was doing.

 

[spike]

No one is denying that the Foley scandal was hypocrisy.

Are you denying that the Spitzer scandal is hypocrisy?

No, I already agreed with you. Read the post.

Foley never sent people to jail for doing exactly what he was doing.

In the crusade against child abuse and exploitation nobody ever goes to jail?

 

[jimpeel]

No, I already agreed with you. Read the post.

In the crusade against child abuse and exploitation nobody ever goes to jail?

Foley never prosecuted anyone. Spitzer has.

There were never allegations of Foley having had sex with underage boys. He did have sexual liasons with two former pages who were 18 and 21 at the time. All he ever did with the pages who were under 18 was write e-mails. He was never charged with any crime.

 

[spike]

Foley never prosecuted anyone. Spitzer has.

Nobody was prosecuted in Foley's campaign?

There were never allegations of Foley having had sex with underage boys. He did have sexual liasons with two former pages who were 18 and 21 at the time. All he ever did with the pages who were under 18 was write e-mails. He was never charged with any crime.

Yes, he just tried to have sex with underage boys but it didn't work out.

What's your point anyway?

 

[jimpeel]

Nobody was prosecuted in Foley's campaign?

Not to my knowledge; and if there were I'm sure you would have already brought it to the fore.

Yes, he just tried to have sex with underage boys but it didn't work out.

What's your point anyway?

You are the one who brought Foley into the discussion. It is you who should be clarifying your point, not me.

 

[spike]

Not to my knowledge; and if there were I'm sure you would have already brought it to the fore.

His legislation changed sex offender laws. I would imagine they prosecute that type of thing.

You are the one who brought Foley into the discussion. It is you who should be clarifying your point, not me.[/QUOTE]

My point was right there in the post, but I'll clarify. The hypocrisy is similar.

Now what point are you trying to make?

 

[jimpeel]

His legislation changed sex offender laws. I would imagine they prosecute that type of thing.

You are the one who brought Foley into the discussion. It is you who should be clarifying your point, not me.

My point was right there in the post, but I'll clarify. The hypocrisy is similar.

Now what point are you trying to make?

Interesting. Was "hypocrisy" your Word of the Day today?

Foley may have proposed, sponsored, and supported changes in the laws but HE HAS NEVER PROSECUTED ANYONE AS SPITZER HAS! You get the point?

For the addle minded, that means that he has not stood in a court of law and examined and cross examined witnesses, plead to a jury, given closing arguments in a case, or assigned members of his staff, as chief prosecutor, to do so on his behalf. You get the point?

Know the difference.

Besides, while Foley was a rep from FL, where the legal age of consent is EIGHTEEN, the conduct occurred in DC where the legal age of consent is SIXTEEN. You get the point?

So Foley did not commit any crime and that was why he was never indicted -- something that Elliot Spitzer cannot say. He merely resigned in disgrace -- something that Elliot Spitzer can relate to. You get the point?

I also noted that you raised the question "Nobody was prosecuted in Foley's campaign?". Just what were you trying to say or do with that statement? What would members of his campaign staff -- you know, the ones who get a politician elected by running their campaign -- have to do with a sitting legislator engaging in bad conduct?

Were you just trying to create a diversion? One usually does that when one realizes they are losing the debate.

 

[jimpeel]

At least Spitzer knew how to pick a decent looking whore.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html

 

[spike]

Interesting. Was "hypocrisy" your Word of the Day today?

You were the one to bring it up in this thread right?

Foley may have proposed, sponsored, and supported changes in the laws but HE HAS NEVER PROSECUTED ANYONE AS SPITZER HAS!

ZOMG THEY"VE HAD DIFFERENT JOBS YOU MEAN?!?! WOW!. NO FUCKING WAY!

Besides, while Foley was a rep from FL, where the legal age of consent is EIGHTEEN, the conduct occurred in DC where the legal age of consent is SIXTEEN.

So Foley did not commit any crime and that was why he was never indicted -- something that Elliot Spitzer cannot say. He merely resigned in disgrace -- something that Elliot Spitzer can relate to.

What is your point here. I know I asked before.

I also noted that you raised the question "Nobody was prosecuted in Foley's campaign?". Just what were you trying to say or do with that statement? What would members of his campaign staff -- you know, the ones who get a politician elected by running their campaign -- have to do with a sitting legislator engaging in bad conduct?

Did you actually think that nobody was convicted on child exploitation or under the laws that Foley proposed?

Were you just trying to create a diversion? One usually does that when one realizes they are losing the debate.

Nope you completely misread apparently.

Losing what? You haven't even made a point yet.

 

[jimpeel]

You were the one to bring it up in this thread right?

But I used it in the contextually correct manner pursuant to the definition in every dictionary on Earth.

ZOMG THEY"VE HAD DIFFERENT JOBS YOU MEAN?!?! WOW!. NO FUCKING WAY!

Sorry. I forgot that everyone has but one job for their entire lifetime. Foley was never a prosecutor either before or after he held public office. Spitzer WAS a prosecutor and ACTIVELY prosecuted people for the very crimes he is now accused of committing. In other words, "A pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess." just like the dictionary says.

You can say that Foley was a hypocrite because he espoused laws agsinst the very type of person that he, himself, was; but he did not ACTIVELY prosecute people and throw them in jail NOR DID HE EVER COMMIT AN OVERT CRIMINAL ACT.

What is your point here. I know I asked before.

I guess you missed it so I will repeat it:

Besides, while Foley was a rep from FL, where the legal age of consent is EIGHTEEN, the conduct occurred in DC where the legal age of consent is SIXTEEN.

So Foley did not commit any crime and that was why he was never indicted -- something that Elliot Spitzer cannot say. He merely resigned in disgrace -- something that Elliot Spitzer can relate to.

There is a vast difference between bad behavior and felonious behavior.

Did you actually think that nobody was convicted on child exploitation or under the laws that Foley proposed?

I never said that. What I said was that Foley never ACTIVELY prosecuted anyone as Spitzer has done. Spitzer was acting to not only enforce the laws as enacted but he also prosecuted people under those same laws and then committed crimes against those same laws.

Nope you completely misread apparently.

Why did you use the word "campaign"? You posted it right HERE in yopur own words under your own avatar and handle.

I don't know how anyone could possibly "misread" that.

Losing what? You haven't even made a point yet.

I've made it over and over. You are simply yet to absorb it.

 

[spike]

Sorry. I forgot that everyone has but one job for their entire lifetime. Foley was never a prosecutor either before or after he held public office. Spitzer WAS a prosecutor and ACTIVELY prosecuted people for the very crimes he is now accused of committing. In other words, "A pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess." just like the dictionary says.

You can say that Foley was a hypocrite because he espoused laws agsinst the very type of person that he, himself, was; but he did not ACTIVELY prosecute people and throw them in jail NOR DID HE EVER COMMIT AN OVERT CRIMINAL ACT.

So your saying they had different jobs. Glad we cleared that up.

I guess you missed it so I will repeat it:

There is a vast difference between bad behavior and felonious behavior.

So your saying you find soliciting minors for gay sex more acceptable than paid sex between consenting adults. That's your whole point? Glad i waited for that one.

I never said that. What I said was that Foley never ACTIVELY prosecuted anyone as Spitzer has done. Spitzer was acting to not only enforce the laws as enacted but he also prosecuted people under those same laws and then committed crimes against those same laws.

We've established that they've had different jobs. Great.

Why did you use the word "campaign"? You posted it right HERE in yopur own words under your own avatar and handle.

I don't know how anyone could possibly "misread" that.

Foley led a campaign against child porn, child abuse, and exploitation among other things.

 

[Gonz]

At least Spitzer knew how to pick a decent looking whore.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html

There's ain't no pussy worth $5500./hour. Hell, there isn't much worth $100./hr.

Never understood the whole prostitute concept anyway. If ya can't talk yer way into her pants, you need to revise your game plan.

 

[jimpeel]

So your saying you find soliciting minors for gay sex more acceptable than paid sex between consenting adults. That's your whole point? Glad i waited for that one.

What you keep missing, even though I keep repeating it, is that the LEGAL AGE OF CONSENT is sixteen in DC where the conduct took place. For the purposes of this discussion and the tenets of the law, what Foley did was lawful behavior between consenting adults. You focus on the age of sixteen as too young to consent to sex but the law AS WRITTEN AND CODIFIED states that sixteen is NOT too young to consent to sex.

Foley did not break the law. "paid sex between consenting adults" as you dso aptly put it, IS ILLEGAL and Spitzer broke the law. There is no such thing as legal "paid sex between consenting adults" in New York. PERIOD.

Foley led a campaign against child porn, child abuse, and exploitation among other things.

Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this is what you meant by "campaign" from the outset. "Crusade" would have been far more apropos and would have eliminated all doubt as to your meaning.

Of course people have been prosecuted under the laws that Foley helped pass. People are prosecuted under all laws passed regardless of who authors, sponsors, or votes for them.

The fact is that NO ONE HAS BEEN PROSECUTED UNDER A FOLEY AUTHORED, SPONSORED, OR PASSED LAW FOR HAVING SEX WITH A SIXTEEN-YEAR-OLD IN DC. It is not against the law to screw a sixteen-year-old in DC. Nothing that Foley ever passed changed that.

 

[spike]

So your saying you find soliciting minors for gay sex more acceptable than paid sex between consenting adults. Right?

If not maybe you could just state your point already.

 

[jimpeel]

So your saying you find soliciting minors for gay sex more acceptable than paid sex between consenting adults. Right?

If not maybe you could just state your point already.

Yes, yes, and hell yes.

It is "more acceptable" because there is nothing lawfully wrong with soliciting a SIXTEEN-YEAR-OLD for sex in DC as long as no money, or promise of payment for that sex, is exchanged. THAT would make it prostitution and solicitation or pandering.

Prostitution, solicitation, and pandering are criminal acts.

Consensual sex IS NOT.

I didn't write the fuckin' law so get off of me about it. If you don't like the fact that a full grown adult man can have sex with a sixteen-year-old in DC then you need to contact the lawmakers in DC and stop giving me shit about it. It is the law and there is nothing I can do about it. I suggest you start a "campaign", or is that a "crusade" to change the law if it makes you cringe so. Perhaps you could extend that "campaign" to other states which allow sexual congress between adults and sixteen-year-olds. Its not like I haven't given you the link to the legal age of consent laws by state. Here it is still ONE MORE FUCKIN' TIME http://www.coolnurse.com/consent.htm.

Holy shit!