superstition defeats science

[chcr]

Well now, I don't think most people make things up as they go along, but "morality" is absolutely subjective.

 

[Winky]

yep that's what you life long commie libs
always wanna say

but,but,but...

"yer about too have a one-on-one reality, Bub"

whatev

 

[Winky]

no longer necessary to teach right from wrong

I don't think that is the onion?

 

[chcr]

no longer necessary to teach right from wrong

I don't think that is the onion?

That article proves my point. If morality were absolute rather than subjective, then there would be no need to teach right from wrong. Everyone would be born knowing it. See, you continually misunderstand what I'm saying. Do I think ours are better? Of course I do, just like you do. If you (or anyone else) had been raised in a society with different moral values, you would hold those rather than the ones you hold now.

Edit: In case you missed it, clearly the Brits are idiots. If you don't teach children right from wrong, they won't know.

 

[Gonz]

"Now lil Johnny, do you think it's okay to put that pencil in Stacys eye?"

"Yes, now shut the fuck up bitch."

"Alrighty then, just checking your secure beliefs".


Does that mean the left will quit whining about the right, since we are very secure in our beliefs & about our persons.

 

[chcr]

Does that mean the left will quit whining about the right, since we are very secure in our beliefs & about our persons.

I don't think so. When will you stop whining about the left?

 

[Gonz]

as soon as they realize they're dead wrong about everything.

 

[Winky]

Help me out here cheeky.

Do you guys really not know that right and wrong exist
that indeed there is a final Cosmic arbiter, an order to things as it were,
and that moral values are based on that premise
for the good of society and the individual.

Or do you know and spend your lives trying to deny it???

Inquirying right wing minds Gotta know?

 

[chcr]

Help me out here cheeky.

Do you guys really not know that right and wrong exist
that indeed there is a final Cosmic arbiter, an order to things as it were,
and that moral values are based on that premise
for the good of society and the individual.

Or do you know and spend your lives trying to deny it???

Inquirying right wing minds Gotta know?

So then, you do believe in god?

 

[chcr]

as soon as they realize they're dead wrong about everything.

Translation: Never.

 

[Winky]

No cheeky that IS the beauty of true atheism.

I thought you were one as well,
not merely attempting to use it as a dodge for recognizing reality exists.

C'Mon yer middle-aged like me we've seen too much not to have realized that this whole does have some order behind it.

Attributing it to some grandfatherly super natural being
is what the primitives had to resort too with their absolute lack of science.

We are not operating under that handicap.

So what's it gonna be are you with me or agin me?

 

[chcr]

No cheeky that IS the beauty of true atheism.

I thought you were one as well,
not merely attempting to use it as a dodge for recognizing reality exists.

C'Mon yer middle-aged like me we've seen too much not to have realized that this whole does have some order behind it.

Attributing it to some grandfatherly super natural being
is what the primitives had to resort too with their absolute lack of science.

We are not operating under that handicap.

So what's it gonna be are you with me or agin me?

Neither one.

Try to be clear, though (if you can).
Do you or don't you believe "that indeed there is a final Cosmic arbiter" because I gotta tell you, that's exactly the same as "some grandfatherly super natural being." [Pedanticman]Oh, and supernatural is one word. Super natural would mean something else.[/Pedanticman]

 

[Winky]

You can't be serious!

Go with your bad self and think you can

'make it up as you go along'

subjective laws of morality
pertain to you no more than the law of gravity

go forth and sin some more heh heh

Mebbe Mikey had something there when he titled his book

"Liberalism is a Mental Disorder"

 

[chcr]

So what you're saying is that you don't believe in god but he'll punish me for my sins.

Main Entry: athe·ism
Pronunciation: 'A-thE-"i-z&m
Function: noun
1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity

Lemme ask you a related one then. Do you believe there is life after death?

 

[Winky]

Yes he will punish you

even though he doesn’t exist
every action has an opposite and equal reaction
its not nice to try too fool mother nature
run over by the wheel of Dharma

and no I don't

when yer ded yer ded

 

[chcr]

Yes he will punish you

even though he doesn’t exist

Perhaps you could try to explain how I'm even supposed to take that seriously?

every action has an opposite and equal reaction

True in physics. In philosophy, not so much.

its not nice to try too fool mother nature

60's TV commercial.

run over by the wheel of Dharma

...but Greg's wheel will leave me alone? (BTW, you know she's a scientologist, right?)

and no I don't

when yer ded yer ded

Then I completely fail to understand how I'll be punished.

Go read a bible, your religion has some serious self-consistency issues.

If I feel like it later, I'll shoot you a PM on atheism, what it means and why threatening my immortal soul, which even you agree doesn't actually exist, leaves me somewhat less than concerned.

 

[Professur]

in my opinion, when religious doctrine outweighs what appears to be rational, pragmatic choice, yeah, then i have a problem with it. for instance, when parents deny medical treatment to their kids because of some kooky beliefs, then yeah, i would call that "stupid religion."

And in my opinion, when someone starts using the word "stupid" they're on the short list for being ignored. The fact that you lack the basis for understanding doesn't make them stupid, sunshine, any more than your lack of understanding string theory makes Stephen Hawking stupid.

Rational is a matter of perspective. You don't understand their rational because you blind yourself to their perspective.

 

[Winky]

You won't be punished after death
it'll git cha while yer still here on earth.

Even an atheist liberal can't escape reality.

I am really beginning to understand how you folks
are truly unable to grasp how I and millions of other
people in this country see the world.

Strange thing is we aren't afflicted with the same deficit.
We know where you're coming from and in most cases
couldn't care less than we already do...

Funny thing is I've never gotten any of you to admit
the true nature of your position. The thing that truly
interests me is whether you'd admit it to yourselves?

For example you will concede that it works in physics

then why doesn’t it apply to morality? Hmmm?

I can almost guarantee what your response will be to that.

 

[chcr]

You won't be punished after death
it'll git cha while yer still here on earth.

Even an atheist liberal can't escape reality.

I am really beginning to understand how you folks
are truly unable to grasp how I and millions of other
people in this country see the world.

Strange thing is we aren't afflicted with the same deficit.
We know where you're coming from and in most cases
couldn't care less than we already do...

Funny thing is I've never gotten any of you to admit
the true nature of your position. The thing that truly
interests me is whether you'd admit it to yourselves?

For example you will concede that it works in physics

then why doesn’t it apply to morality? Hmmm?

I can almost guarantee what your response will be to that.

Actually, I fully understand how you see the world. You make it up as you go along.
Let me answer your last question with a question. If morality is so cut and dried, so pervasive, so carved in stone, why does it need to be taught? Why aren't you born knowing right from wrong?

Interesting religion ya got there but I'm no more ready to accept your version of god(s) than any one else's. As I have explained countliess times, I'm an atheist. No god, no supernatural old grandfatherly dude, no "cosmic arbiter."

Atheism is not a religion, it's a close personal relationship with reality.

You are clearly confused about what this means. Sorry that you're not an atheist when you hang so much importance on sayng you are. Thanks for playing. See ya.

 

[Gato_Solo]

in my opinion, when religious doctrine outweighs what appears to be rational, pragmatic choice, yeah, then i have a problem with it. for instance, when parents deny medical treatment to their kids because of some kooky beliefs, then yeah, i would call that "stupid religion."

So, once again, who are you to qualify what is stupid and what is not?

are you qualified to make your own personal judgements on things? yes? hmmm... then so's everyone else. or maybe you should be the arbiter of... everything? and then, again, whomever appears to have a different point of view is a hypocrite? sounds great. sign me right the fuck up.

Ahh...so now we see what the problem is. You don't like when someone points out your hypocrisy. Here's a news flash for you...just because a person disagrees, or has a dissenting opinion...does not make that person a hypocrite. All things happen in a context. You said, in another thread, that I may not know what it means...I guess you are the one who has a problem grasping the definition.