A world without religion
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Gato_Solo
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freako104 said:
Nope. Accident and desperation. You're in the middle of the food chain. What keeps you from winding up some other animals meal? You can run, you can fight, or you can be eaten...unless you can pick up that stick over there, and even out the odds. An act of desperation leads to the invention of the club.
chcr
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Yep, but improvements on the club lead to the hammer. The one that always gets me is the leap from using serendiptous fire to actually starting fire. The most significant event in human history, IMO.Gato_Solo said:Nope. Accident and desperation. You're in the middle of the food chain. What keeps you from winding up some other animals meal? You can run, you can fight, or you can be eaten...unless you can pick up that stick over there, and even out the odds. An act of desperation leads to the invention of the club.
Gato_Solo said:You can blame that on religion all you like, but religion, in and of itself, is only a testimony as to how you should look, and live, your life. People are the cause of the problem. People who have a lust for power, or have power, or think they have power over you. These same types of people would be doing the same types of things if religion didn't exist because they are corrupt. Not religion.
Kudo's. Even if one doesn't believe, the texts are worthy of study & a good base to live life.
This is where Carlin went way off track. God never asks for money. That'd be man.
Winky
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Gonz said:
At least you could get your taxes done on time and I you have a self-owned business he'd keep your books in order.
I must'a missed something, which states still have 'stoning' on the books?
When we can't even reliably guarantee that ol' Scotty P. is EVER going to see the infamous gurney of death!
chcr
Too cute for words
Winky said:
It was to make a point, Winky. It's unbelievable to me that people will sit there and seriously say that a two thousand (okay, 1600, but some of it was taken from earlier works) year old book has anything important to offer as a guide for behavior in modern society. To me they're saying "let's go back to stoning those who don't observe the sabbath," etc...
Go back as far as you need. Some things never change. A baseline for acting in a civil manner is one of them. Notice, as we progress further & further from the various bibles & grow into a society that heeds & needs these lessons less the more we regress to a thoughtless & vile lack of civility.
chcr
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I'd forgotten how civil it was to kill someone for not agreeing with your religion. For even missing a service. Yep, they were a lot more civil back then.Gonz said:
You (and you're hardly alone in this) make sweeping statements about the bible that quite simply are not true. Chapter and verse, Gonz, chapter and verse.
SouthernN'Proud
Southern Discomfort
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Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, `This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Man, that sure plays hell with all them liberal "social rehabilitation" programs that all of are forced to subsidize with our tax dollars, now don't it? I'm bettin' ol' Dr. Phil woulda starved to death right quick under these laws.
Ya know, now that I think about it...maybe that ain't such a bad idea...Nope, can't happen. Then all these athiests wouldn't have anything to squawk about so much. Nevermind, carry on...
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, `This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Man, that sure plays hell with all them liberal "social rehabilitation" programs that all of are forced to subsidize with our tax dollars, now don't it? I'm bettin' ol' Dr. Phil woulda starved to death right quick under these laws.
Ya know, now that I think about it...maybe that ain't such a bad idea...Nope, can't happen. Then all these athiests wouldn't have anything to squawk about so much. Nevermind, carry on...
chcr
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Gato_Solo said:It was a much more efficient way of dealing with crime than the convoluted system we have today...not as fair, mind you, but much more efficient, plus you don't have that nasty problem with 'repeat offenders'.
Everyone should know that I think the current system of "punishment" is a joke. I don't, however think that missing a church service should be a basis for the death penalty. j/k
My point was that many people seem to think the bible contains some code for behavior in polite society. I've read several versions several times and I've never found it.
unclehobart
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If there twern't no religion, hard rock and death metal bands would lose 2/3 of the material what they dun write songs against and bitch. ...I reckon.
Gato_Solo
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chcr said:Everyone should know that I think the current system of "punishment" is a joke. I don't, however think that missing a church service should be a basis for the death penalty. j/k
You say that just because you're an atheist.
chcr said:
Not outside the 10 commandments, anyway. Basically, the 10 commandments only say one thing...respect/be nice to each other.
If everybody followed that rule, then there'd be nothing for the libs to bitch about.
SouthernN'Proud
Southern Discomfort
unclehobart said:
Then again, if there was no God, all these athiests would lose something very valuable to them.
If there was no God, they would no longer get to be "different". They would be just like everyone else. They wouldn't get to "stand out from the crowd"...so their primary positive reinforcement for such a stance (attention) would vanish. How totally uncool!
So in a weird, convoluted way, atheists need a God to exist, so they can then decline to believe in said God, and hence garner the attention they get such a charge out of. I mean, you can't very well be different if your belief structure is such that everyone else also believes it.
Sooooo...if there is no God, all of a sudden, atheists would need to start believing a God exists to then receive this attention. Wow. Who'd a-thunk it?
rrfield
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SouthernN'Proud said:
Did it ever occur to you that there are athiests who really just don't believe in God for one reason or another? Perhaps they have actually thought about the existance of God and decided it's illogical? That they aren't athiest just because it's the "cool" thing to do?
Gato_Solo
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rrfield said:
It occured to me, but, you know, those years I spent at College kind of jaded me to people and the 'cool' factor. I know a few 'atheists', quite a few, actually, that were only atheists because it was cool to be anti-establishment. I think the word for that is hypocrisy, but I could be wrong...