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Thank you Bish. It's nice to see some people can disagree peaceably. Although, due to my being an admin, he can't ignore me but he can ignore me.
 
rrfield said:
This is it, im done in the Real World. I know I don't post that often, but I'm done for good now. I'm not going to frequent a board that is dominated by an obvious racist.
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I'm with Bish, even though I don't always agree with him, most of his posts are well thought out, and written in a clear manner, even if they are wrong ( :D sorry gonz)

There is no racism here, stating the facts that cultures are diffrent, and not being able to fathom another cutures beleifs cause it is so far from out own point of view is not racism.
 
Gonz said:
Aren't I the one who continually brings up historical references in context with current events in hopes of bumping memory cells?
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you are the one who tells me not to all the time
 
freako104 said:
you are the one who tells me not to all the time
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Because it is over used, I was actually suprised he used it, I see no similarities what so ever between these army idiots and Dr. Mengele.

Beside they both did bad things

so if that is the case we can can put billy the kid and hitler isn the same catagory.

Come on Gonz, how does Mengele bring perspective to your arguement?
 
Gonz said:
Thank you Bish. It's nice to see some people can disagree peaceably. Although, due to my being an admin, he can't ignore me but he can ignore me.
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Well...there's that. I've learned the hard way that if you don't listen to what people are saying, you can never reply and thus can never get your own point across. I don't often agree with you, Gonz... mostly because we're coming from different cultures and social environments, but although inflamatory, your arguements are sound and clear...you don't degrade people and you don't ignore counter arguements. That alone makes should make you un-ignoreable.

Carry on regardless of lives lost.
 
I just want to say that I know you can't ignore Gonz, I've tried. IGNORING and ignoring. Don't worry Gonz, I've only ignored two people in my entire history here, and neither lasted more than a week.

I don't think he's racist either, but he does have some strong beliefs that some of us don't share. Not that they're wrong, just different. I guess that's the point I'm trying to make here with you too Gonz, we can't look at these people as wrong because they think that being naked in the presence of other men is worse than being electrocuted, it's not wrong, it's different, and in their country, we have to abide by their morals to a certain extent.
 
Because it is over used, I was actually suprised he used it, I see no similarities what so ever between these army idiots and Dr. Mengele
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yes you are right it is overused, but it is used. and it is also the idea that if we do not learn from history we are doomed to repeat it too.
 
I used Megele as an example because he tortured & abused. The fools in Iraq are mistreating. It seems as though we're re-defining too many words. Having some guy stand around naked & calling it torture is as misplaced as a black guy getting fired for screwing up & calling is racism. We've taken to overreacting to things that are less serious than portrayed.

freak, I'm still in the dark as to what you're talking about.

As far as my strong views I could easily re-word some things & be less inflammatory, but why? I believe I've said before, so I'll repeat myself, we could all, more or less, agree on 99.9% of the things put in here. We may differ on the road travelled, as we should, but the end result places in relatively close proximity. That is so damned boring it makes me want to puke. If we all follow the PC method of debating, where is the new perspective? How can you learn to think around corners if the road is straight & narrow? When I present an argument I expect rebuttal. As diverse as this group is I can (as can you) generally predict who'll go postal & who'll agree. It's nice having some agree just so you think you've not gone completely around the bend but there is nothing new if we all agree.

I will not temper my arguments for anyone. I will attempt to not call you a stupid asshole however since there's nothing to be learned there either.
 
While I actually agree with you more often than not, I happen to think you have a case of cranio-rectal inversion on thsi one. It happens. :shrug: Isn't enought o make me leave - more's the pity. :D
 
The part where I tell you not to use pertinent historical references
 
Which pictures are worse: the ones showing 'psychological torture' of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. soldiers, or

(Warning: graphic photos)

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/wtcjumpers.html


The Bush-bashing media obviously feels the former is the most shocking, as evidenced by their incessant coverage of the story. They go out of their way to report on anything damaging to the Bush administration's efforts in Iraq. But they must feel the latter is a non-story, one to be to pushed under the rug and hope everyone forgets about. What's the deal with that?
 
cause the latter did happen about 3 years ago and the news with peoples attention span tends not to cover thngs from years ago. that and what is happenening to the soliders will mean they will more than likely live with the shame while those in the photos are dead. While that sounds cold on my part they dont have to live in shame or pain. but they died for nothing in my eyes. just killed.
 
freak104 said:
attention span tends not to cover thngs from years ago.
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If that is true then we all need to die. Today. We are not worthy of being teh highest order on the planet.
 
Gonz said:
If that is true then we all need to die. Today. We are not worthy of being teh highest order on the planet.
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:rofl: Vanity, thy name is humanity.
 
in terms of opinion yes. in terms of fact no. but I think all life forms are equal. I just feel that if we had not invented weapons and pollution and the like we would be worthy enough to be.
 
freako104 said:
in terms of opinion yes. in terms of fact no. but I think all life forms are equal. I just feel that if we had not invented weapons and pollution and the like we would be worthy enough to be.
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Unfortunately, freako, tools (weapons) and their side-effects (pollution et al) are the reason we're at the top of the food-chain. ;) In nature, there are pretty much only 2 rules. Eat, or be eaten. :grinyes:

Now back on topic...

Abusing prisoners is not only against international law, but also against the UCMJ. No excuse can cover what happened, and no reasonable mind would think otherwise. We must, however, temper our rhetoric with logic and intelligence...

1. Some of the people who are over in Iraq do not belong in the military. Their actions proved that.

2. The press/news corps has, and is, irresponsible when it comes to gauging both public reaction, and enemy reaction, to their 'news'. If they had any dignity at all, they would have also reported that those errant assholes who abused their prisoners were already going through an investigation...It started on January 14, 2004 to be exact...that charges had been filed...in March...and that the people who turned them in were also soldiers. Of course, that might not have been newsworthy. Got to keep the rubes entertained with 'Bread and Circuses' now, don't they?

3. We, as non-journalists (except for Inkara), will only hear what the media wants us to hear...We'll only see what they want us to see...and, sadly, we'll only think what they want us to think. Before you react to this, just ask yourself one question...Have you ever formed an opinion, or thought, solely on what you've seen 'in the news'?
 
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