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why should we waste breath trying to educate you when you're ignorant and won't hear of it in the first place?

go learn a bit about American history. Real American history and then tell us that we have NO RIGHT to be upset ...
 
You assume a lot and are putting words in my mouth. And I never said you shouldn't be upset. I made a simple statement about fighting for what is yours.
 
So are you saying that people like Gandhi and Martin Luther King didn't contrbute to human evolution?
 
in the first place, we just told you about the illegal overthrow of the monarchy and you compare that to the American liberation from the English. That shows me that you're as closed-minded as you are ignorant. Anything I say will fall on deaf ears. Should you wish to debate this further, you need to do some research and a lot of reading.
 
*remembering another argument with a close-minded American*

*thinking about how many threads we've spent on this subject and what a shame some people still don't know what our efforts are*

*deciding not to waste my time any more*
 
You can call me ill-educated all you want, but how else am I supposed to be educated? Show me some links. I've already started a search on Google about it.
 
I also wasn't trying to be a dick. Educate me! Name calling and avoiding the subject is no way to fight your cause.
 
http://www.ainfos.ca/98/feb/ainfos00300.html

Does that link have stuff in it that I should be reading? I don't know the difference between propoganda and what is the truth.
 
kuulani said:
So are you saying that people like Gandhi and Martin Luther King didn't contrbute to human evolution?
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DO you honstly believe that Britain abandoned India because of some guy with an eating disorder? Reverend Dr MLK, Jr is rolling over in his grave because of the stands taken in his name. He preached peace & togetherness, his name has bigotry written all over it, not of his choosing.
 
I can tell you one thing! The eskimos in Alaska were treated pretty badly by the Japanese in WWII. I seriously doubt they would have been any kinder to the Hawaiin people in WWII if we were not there first! Most likely every Hawaiin would have been about killed. You should read about what happend in Alaska, the Japanese took the Eskimo's back to Japan were most of them died of starvation and disease. You think if the USA would not have had control of Hawaii in WWII the Japanese woudl not have bothered with Hawaii? Think again! You all would have been dead pretty much! I have been to Hawaii and I know that you folk do not treat people from the mainland very nice!

My ancient acestors moved from central ASIA to the area above the artic circle in Finland, Norway etc.. about 5000 years ago. About 500 years ago the European people pretty much overtook the land of the Laplander or SAMMI. They were people with ASIAN charecteristics. Not many are left today and probably most of them live here in the US now! Should I bitch about what happend to my ancestors? I also have a grandma that is adopted and she is most likely 1/2 or 1/4 indian. Should I bitch about what the early USA did to them? Why don't we all start bitching about the 6 million jews that were killed by Hitler or the 2 million Gypsies! Maybe I should start bitching about Adam and Eve for getting the Tree of Life taken from mankind!

Maybe I should bitch about some Hawaiin people not caring about how many people got killed in the WTC disastor?

Whether yoiu want to believe it or not you were in better hands with the USA than you would have been under Japanese control!

It was inevitable that one day we came to the USA and made it what it is just as it was inevitable that Hawaii became our 49th or 50th state!
 
:rofl: @ your stupidity.

OMG, did i just read your post right? You do know that the Japanese BOMBED Hawaii because of the US presence in our land, don't you?

btw, I don't think native Alaskans like to be referred to as eskimos. And um ... before you make an argument, please get your facts straight ... 49th or 50th state :rolleyes:
 
Mitch (in non-smartassist tone) - I haven't read the whole article but you can see from the first two paragraphs what the base is -
Queen Lili'uokalani yielded her authority to the justice of the United States under protest
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If you want to know more, I would suggest the readings and articles from the bibliography ...

ol man (in very smartassist tone) - your facts are a gross example of ill-education. I fear there's nothing more to do for you save let you live in your fairy world of American History. By the way, the remark of Hawaiians not caring about how many people got killed in the WTC disaster was uncalled for. There were people from Hawai'i on the planes as well as in the WTC. Your statement is what is referred to as an ad homenin attack. You'd do well to look that up.



As I said before, unless you educate yourself, as Mitch has endeavored to do, I will continue the debate no longer. You are not worth my time. But I will say this one thing: if people from Hawai'i weren't nice to you when you came, perhaps it's because you're an ass and not because you're a foreigner.
 
ku'u and I are leaving for the weekend and we thought it may be appropriate to leave you with these quotes.

Her Majesty said:
I, Lili'uokalani, by the grace of God and under the constitution of the Hawaiian kingdom Queen, do hereby solemnly protest against any and all acts done against myself and the constitutional government of the Hawaiian kingdom by certain persons claiming to have established a Provisional Government of and for this kingdom. . . .
Now, to avoid any collision of armed forces, and perhaps the loss of life, I do, under this protest and impelled by said forces, yield my authority until such time as the Government of the United States shall, upon the facts being presented to it, undo (?) the action of its representative, and reinstate me in the authority which I claim as the constitutional sovereign of the Hawaiian Islands.1
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Glen Grant said:
History is inevitable only in the apologia of winners. In viewing this controversial period of Hawaiian politics as the "sweep of time" or the "progress of democracy," the deeper moral and legal issues are obscured by rhetoric. Whatever the actions of the Hawaiian monarchs, whatever the validity of the charges of irresponsibility or ineptitude made against them by Americans with vested interests in the islands, it was the prerogative of native Hawaiians to determine their form of government. The "democracy" introduced by the 1893 provisional government far from represented the will of Hawaiians, Asians, and Europeans who comprised the majority of the population. The annexationist machinations of U.S. Minister John Stevens and the impact of the marines landed by the U.S.S. Boston on January 15, 1893, were not "inevitable" political and military actions.
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kuulani said:
:rofl: @ your stupidity.

OMG, did i just read your post right? You do know that the Japanese BOMBED Hawaii because of the US presence in our land, don't you?

btw, I don't think native Alaskans like to be referred to as eskimos. And um ... before you make an argument, please get your facts straight ... 49th or 50th state :rolleyes:
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No they bombed it because they wanted to take out the Pacific Fleet!
 
The Pacific Fleet was American, no? :D.

Good luck fighting for your cause. I'll read up on it some more. All I can say is, I hope everyone that is fighting for Hawaii's liberation is a little more patient in explaining their side of the story instead of the shout-down belittlement tactic that I've witnessed here. That tactic is usually used by those who do not have their story straight. I hope you guys used that tactic because you don't care what we know. PM me if you have anymore info. I'd like to hear more from your side of the story.
 
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