Americans help terrorists

RD, imagine being in an 18-wheeler in teh middle of all that shit. Been there, don't wanna do it again :D

Flav, I'd prefer to believe Bush's lies to those of Marx & Stalin.
 
yep, they're right there.....and there
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No I'm pretty sure they're dead. Even if they were still around, you'd have no other choices but to believe Bush, Stalin, or Marx?

Why would you limit yourself like that?
 
flavio said:
Why would you limit yourself like that?

Because our debate is whether these people are Bush haters, concerned citizens wishing to stop a war or communists. Since they are being supported by a Marxist organization I choose BH-95%, CCWtSaW-40% & communists-60%.
 
I would say concerned citizens wishing to stop a war or communists that hate bush because of the way he's handled the situation.

I don't see why you think that because some group is against the war that most people against the war must be affiliated with that group?

The Pope is against the war does that make most of the protestors catholic too?

The KKK is for the war, does that make most of you pro-war types Klan members?

Does the war in Iraq have much to do with communism?


Seems like just a bunch of grasping for excuses to discount people who don't agree with you.
 
So if someone agrees with Bush, they just "believe the crap Bush feeds you." No chance that they happened to examine the limited information out there and made an informed decision?
 
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So if someone agrees with Bush, they just "believe the crap Bush feeds you."

As if you haven't been pretty insulting about beliefs that don't agree with yours? Come off it.

This "liberate" the people of Iraq nonsense is pretty flimsy. I've now seen comments from several people on this board who would just like to see all Iraqis die.
 
Why don't you post the instances where I've been "insulting" to someone that I didn't agree with, other than you (or sbcanada :)). BTW, I apologized for that in the other thread, in case you missed it.
 
I don't have that kind of time. Suffice it to say that Gonz presented one viewpoint and I countered with another.

I think Operation "Iraqi Freedom" is a badly disguised attempt to get people to feel like we're invading this country out of the goodness of our hearts for the poor Iraqis.

A marketing gimmick that has little to do with reality.
 
“In 1991 Saddam killed 500,000 people when they rose against him. Nobody demonstrated against him then. But now the United States wants to get rid of the dictator, people are demonstrating against it.”
-one of the Iraqi liberation soldiers the U.S. is training at "Camp Freedom" in Hungary

"The Iraqi regime and its weapons of mass destruction represent a clear threat to world security. This danger has been explicitly recognized by the U.N."
-Letter by Eight European leaders in support of the United States

"We are praying you will stick to your resolve to liberate our country from a dictatorial tyranny over 30 years which has caused the deaths of nearly 2 million men and women, sons and daughters." -Letter to UK Prime Minister Tony Blair from Iraqi Exiles

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/from_our_own_correspondent/2058253.stm

http://hrw.org/reports/world/iraq-pubs.php

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/26/w...00&en=1aec64f892889c31&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3007499&thesection=news&thesubsection=world

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020916-28573872.htm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-590350,00.html

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/ma.../19/ixnewstop.html/news/2003/01/19/wirq19.xml

http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/2283602?source=Evening Standard

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/15996.htm

That should keep you busy for awhile.
 
In 1861-1865 Lincoln killed 618,000 Americans when they rose up against him.

:D

Seriously though Gonz, I don't think many people are debating that Hussein is an evil guy. I'm certainly not interested in debating it. The way we are handling this is ridiculous though.

And again a quote from a couple Iraqis that are happy about us being there does not really indicate much. If you cut that crap out I won't resort to mentiioning the cheering about our downed helicopter or all the shooting at us.
 
OK, so the question arises again, what is your solution. Not using military, how do you remove a madman from power?
 
I've already gone over what I think we should have done.

There's a whole bunch of other oppressive governments out there. When are we going to have Operation "Liberate" China?

This war isn't about helping Iragis.
 
you create the perfect utopia PT i know you knew that :D. first you only have politicians that dont lie and wont take us into war no matter the the reasons. they listen to their constituants and do everything they are told by them. because after all they are mere puppets for the masses.and we always have the most information compared to their intelegence they may be able to gather from operatives placed in the other countries.
then you have a society that nobody has to purchase goods because its in multitude here because we dont send it to poor countries anymore. Gee does this sound drug induced or what?

reality is we are all sitting at our comfy little computers trying to run the world. We make half educated guesses based on propaganda recieved from our news agiencies and that from other countries. We are spoonfeed idealist that think we can run our govt. better than the elected officials.
who are we kidding here, hell i can guarentee that only a couple of people posting have ever been to iraq and seen first hand what sadaam is really like. the rest of us are armchair quarterbacks trying to justify in our own minds what we believe to be true.
There is a saying about not judging another man till youve walked a mile in his shoes. So while this is a good ventilation for the majority of us, tell me whose your source for the real deal?
Where do you get your intel to make such brash decisions? Have you ever been to any of these countries an seen first hand the attrocities we or their own govt has commited?
I havent, and i include myself in it.
 
I know man, i gotta keep reminding you to take the drugs.:D
It helps to live the fantasy.:D :D:beardbng:
 
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