Americans sign petition to repeal the First Amendment

[Gonz]

what are you doing RIGHT THE FUCK NOW to serve anyone other than yourself?

I spoke with my district representative today.

and my point had absolutely nothing to do with 'serving you country,' you know the answer to that, so i'm not going to repeat it AGAIN.

That's not what I'm talking about (though, it's not just the military) I interact with my Congress members on a regular basis. How about volunteering for Red Cross? Did you attend any of the Tea-Party events? Again, what have YOU done for your country?

learn something. then come back and say something constructive. because crying "socialism" at every shadow is just bloody sad. prove me wrong when i say americans these days are just too fucking lazy to learn a goddamned thing that takes more that a seven second attention span and a convenient label like "marxist." (oh no, boo hoo, it's the commies again.)

Apparently we don't see the same shit from Uncle Karl. Socialism is a point between capitalism & communism. You seem to not find the inherent evil in the words of Marx. If we were bee's, it'd work. We're not. It is ripe for tyrannical dictator. It has always ended up there. Sorry, you find the need to defend it & belittle those who do understand it. I have no use for it. I don't think most people use that term because of reactions like yours. Too bad. It is relevent.

Instead of belittlling, how about saying what you think about sibject X instead of calling those who you disagree names?

 

[Cerise]

.... i say americans these days are just too fucking lazy to learn a goddamned thing that takes more that a seven second attention span....

True, I understand the 0bots only needed 3.5 secs to decide The One was the one.

 

[MrBishop]

What did he misrepresent, in the least? He told them, flat out what it was.

"Are you familiar with the evils of the first ammendment...just how horrible it is and outdated"

"Stop the hate speech" petition.

I would rather have seen something like... would you like to repeal Freedom of Speech?

 

[2minkey]

I spoke with my district representative today.



That's not what I'm talking about (though, it's not just the military) I interact with my Congress members on a regular basis. How about volunteering for Red Cross? Did you attend any of the Tea-Party events? Again, what have YOU done for your country?



Apparently we don't see the same shit from Uncle Karl. Socialism is a point between capitalism & communism. You seem to not find the inherent evil in the words of Marx. If we were bee's, it'd work. We're not. It is ripe for tyrannical dictator. It has always ended up there. Sorry, you find the need to defend it & belittle those who do understand it. I have no use for it. I don't think most people use that term because of reactions like yours. Too bad. It is relevent.

Instead of belittlling, how about saying what you think about sibject X instead of calling those who you disagree names?

1. i make substantial donations to charities. that's doing something. and no gonz, going to a teabagger party is not contributing, it's whining.

2. YOU SIR are incredibly belittling every stinking time you utterly dismiss contrasting opinions as socialism and/or communism - it's even more blatantly name-calling because you refuse to even learn about what you are talking about, which has again been reconfirmed by the post above.

3. there's absolutely no point in trying to have a REAL DISCUSSION with people that are blissfully ignorant. i'm not putting much effort into debate with you on ANYTHING because you're not willing to learn the basics, but at the same time you make these grand, sweeping statements about the nature of those things you know little about. so you get my metacommentary and little else. in short, you don't deserve my real thoughts on any of this stuff (ha ha ha fucking ha yeah i'm kinda kidding!)...

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Wow minx! After that post I feel so inadequate and useless, I had no idea of the scope of your philanthropy. I feel bad that I have under appreciated your intellectual ascendancy. I believe you're right that, I for one, am neither worthy or deserving of your illuminated insights.

May I seek atonement for my condescending and belittling of your acumen in matters of society, politics and religion? By virtues of my Christian beliefs I should turn the other cheek, becoming more submissive and accepting of your premium dictations. I acquiesce effete mala in se in dismissing intellectualized conjecture and rationales that obscurely beguile otherwise simple and direct language.

I now deduced a sophisticated understanding of my loathsome narcissism and failed pedagogy. I can now see my own personal deficits in my capacity to understand what my life has been up to now. I now know what I need to do. BRB, bath-tub.

 

[Gonz]

because you refuse to even learn about what you are talking about

I disagree with you so I'm uninformed?

Yet, another post where your level of intelligence just soars over the rest of us. I'm sure you're putting answers & needed information, in code, into your posts but in my unenlightened way, I fail to interppret it correctly. Someday, perhaps I can lick your shoes in gratitude.

 

[2minkey]

no matter how many times you try to re-spin this shit it's still coming back to the fact that you are unwilling to educate yourself as to the basic principles behind your grand pronouncements, and that sucks.

example.

"You seem to not find the inherent evil in the words of Marx. If we were bee's, it'd work. We're not. It is ripe for tyrannical dictator. It has always ended up there."

there is no inherent evil in the words of marx. if you had actually read marx in any substantial way, you would understand that. if you studied history with anything other than a pre-set determination to condemn everything that daddy told you to, you'd realize a few things. for one, that guy that sarah can see from her front porch is living proof that russia does not need any particular political ideology to be an oppressive place. hmmm. yeah the tsars were nice guys too. calling marx's words "evil" and then pointing toward examples of so-called "communist" oppression is equivalent to blaming the genocide of native americans on enlightenment rationality (and of course, its products such as the constitution). yeah, the constitution killed the injuns. jefferson was evil. what a bunch of crap.

perfect bumper sticker material though.

and despite grand commentary on various aspects of economic causality you've refused to learn squat about economics, instead asking me to spell things out to you in "layman's terms." sorry, pal, i'm not going to write the cliff notes for you. maybe you can troll the local community college campus and get a basic macroecon textbook off a 19 year-old for cheap? maybe you could do more than a 30 second skim off a google search for "derivatives." (but don't worry, even godlike me doesn't understand them fully, but really, our money is safe there.)

please, go ahead and continue to resort to "high and mighty" type comments about me. that's fine. even your little buddy can chime in again and again. it's quite dignifying, especially after requests for spoon feeding.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

In Marx defense he didn't account for the corruption and murder that has been proven to be part of the process, the human factor.

Mark had it figured as progressive transformation, roughly from capitalism > socialism > communism. Looks good on paper but the human factor is a problem, humans by their nature fuck it all up.

To achieve communism you have to control the people, people by nature do not like to be controlled and others become addicted to absolute power.

If we look at the Marx model: Communism is the most controlled state with strict controls and allotments for the individual. The capitalist model allows allows for a free market and individualism, thus the most free, closest to anarchy.

Marx was right in the notion that we would guide ourselves to destruction, that we could be saved by socialism. ....And that the battle.

We need to quit evolving ourselves with over-regulation and rediscover personal responsibility. A nanny state will only lead to socialism. Currently, most every law designed to protect you is a another chip of your freedom being taken away. The nanny state is the enemy of personal freedoms.

A free society is a dangerous one where personal responsibility has inherent dangers.

 

[2minkey]

If we look at the Marx model: Communism is the most controlled state with strict controls and allotments for the individual. The capitalist model allows allows for a free market and individualism, thus the most free, closest to anarchy.

you're wrong. marx's vision had the people owning the means of production; there is a vast difference between that and the kid of centralized state control of damned near everything - marx did NOT envision that sort of giant machine type of government telling everybody what to do and when to do it, nor the wacky-assed perversions it would produce e.g. stakhanovite heroism.

capitalism is as controlling as any other system, by virtue of making you believe that you have choices. it masks its own oppression very effectively. it produces a stunning level of conformity and kills off contrary ideas with beautiful efficiency, as wage slaves misrecognize their own interests as those of their manipulators. this is not to deny that it is a marvelously efficient means of redistribution.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

the people owning the means of production; there is a vast difference between that and the kid of centralized state control of damned near everything - marx did NOT envision that sort of giant machine type of government telling everybody what to do and when to do it, nor the wacky-assed perversions it would produce e.g. stakhanovite heroism.

capitalism is as controlling as any other system, by virtue of making you believe that you have choices. it masks its own oppression very effectively. it produces a stunning level of conformity and kills off contrary ideas with beautiful efficiency, as wage slaves misrecognize their own interests as those of their manipulators. this is not to deny that it is a marvelously efficient means of redistribution.

• And so "the people owning the means of production" is going be done without the support and enforcement of the government? Sounds like fantasy.
• If "the people owning the means of production" is the status, do really believe they allow for anything to threaten the status quo?
• Would "the people owning the means of production" allow two brother to utilize the resources of the peoples production of bicycles be able to fail their way to human flight?
• "stakhanovite heroism" is one of those human factors I mentioned, a desire to be the best.

A capitalist system allows for one to change jobs if one feels something else may be better for them. Better yet, they can create their own job and benefit from their own efforts. ....or they can fail. It's choice grinding on personal responsibility.

While I love the free market, I believe too many paper pushers invent ways to skim money off the top.

 

[Winky]

Americans will swallow any crap they are fed!

“wage slaves misrecognize their own interests as those of their manipulators”
ah hah! Wage slaves want a paycheck, these maligned manipulators want profit.

Who is to blame for this supposed misunderstanding?
(the dumbassed wage monkeys?)

I daresay the attempts of the Left to claim to have the best interests of the proletariat
as their goal a greater transgression by far.

 

[2minkey]

• And so "the people owning the means of production" is going be done without the support and enforcement of the government? Sounds like fantasy.

enforcement? you mean like private property laws kind of enforcement or gun to your head kinda enforcement?

or is there a difference? (probably not in the tea baggeresque world of imaginary oppression where "property taxes make the government the real owner of all property." hmmm....)

personally, i prefer the anarcho-syndicalist take on this shit ha ha. oh wow they're kinda commie but kinda loosey goosey too... what a strange world huh?

• If "the people owning the means of production" is the status, do really believe they allow for anything to threaten the status quo?

what? i don't even understand what you are asking. do you mean they would deliberately stunt innovation in order to ride certain (quasi) market dynamics in a favorable way a la most big US corporations, to stifle anything that might threaten their comfort?

• Would "the people owning the means of production" allow two brother to utilize the resources of the peoples production of bicycles be able to fail their way to human flight?

yes. you know for centuries china was the most innovative place on the planet, even with its stinky confucian paternalism. today the sunk interests of capital restrict innovation. the wright brothers could not exist today. their innovation would be too radical. far too radical. the era of great US inventors has long passed, it was specific to a time that really doesn't resemble US so much anymore. it was a time when tinkerers had access to their own *giggle* means of production. now we have dorky research scientists owned by corporations that are afraid to try much that is "too out there," though there are certainly some pockets of interesting innovation. hey, here's the new apple tablet - something you can watch TV on. how innovative. yawn.

• "stakhanovite heroism" is one of those human factors I mentioned, a desire to be the best.

no it's just fucking ridiculous that so-called communism ends up mirroring one of the more absurd capitalist phenomena on the books. besides, RM, those guys were lousy commies. they must be bad. in any case, how could a desire to be the best even exist under a COMMIE system? i can't see it. my daddy sure wouldn't believe it.

 

[Winky]

Americans need moar Colonialism!

It's those dirty floats in the Chinese Forex reseves that are to blame.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Yeah, 10th century China, and China now?

The song dynasty was very cool in a cultural sense, but I don't think it benefited the majority of chinamen, .....well maybe more rice. It's good to be the king. -Brooks

 

[Winky]

Americans are all fat lazy slobs and should be killed.

Don’t leave out how the moosies did everything for us a thousand years ago!

 

[ResearchMonkey]

 

[Winky]

Life isn’t so bad here as long as we remain a nation that embraces private enterprise
and the Republic for which it stands, one nation under the almighty dollar,
indivisible with cable TV and broadband internet access for all.

 

[Gonz]

I guess I didn't read the about needing to kill off certain segments of society.

Sorry, my mistake.

 

[2minkey]

Yeah, 10th century China, and China now?

china is kinda kicking all kinds of ass RIGHT NOW. but that's irrelevant. should you dismiss the achievements of the roman empire because because it no longer exists? hey, those egyptian pyramids ain't shit huh, i mean, look at egypt these days. british empire's well past its zenith. i guess the magna carta don't mean shit. fuck, look at france. what a bunch of pussies. well, sorry rousseau et al. and gee, 500 years from now, what will they make of the achievements of that smoldering heap that was once the U S of A?

meh, who cares?

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Great concept, lets just throttle up and nose down. Lets make every effort to become a smoldering wreck. It's what all the great society's do.

Can you find any relationship with progressive big government and the destruction of these fine societies?