Casual sex
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freako104
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flavio, as much as i disagree with what LL said on here you are saying things that are complete bullshit. let LL live his damn life and you live yours. as i said i dont see anything wrong with premaritial sex. at all. even fuck buddies is fine by me. LL hasnt said anything to make me feel guilty for it so why the hell are you trying to force him to live your life if he isnt forcing someone else. LL, you have every right to believe as you do however i hope its not an insult to you that i see no dishonour is sexual intercourse however id rather the people be in love than fuck buddies personally.
ris
New Member
flav, i merely state a logical precept - faith transcends logical thought therefore the use of logic to discuss it leaves areas that cannot be in its scope.
it has nothing to do with otc rules, i never got aup-y, i speak as an individual. you can debate personal belief/faith with logic if you wish but i see little point, for the reasons stated.
i prefer to discuss religion on points of the individual faith, rather than trying to unpick someones belief as an entire. rather than telling someone that their choice of abstinence is ridiculous i can instead find out why they think that.
i am free to disagree but i see little merit in saying 'why not' when the answer will undubtedly be 'why'.
it has nothing to do with otc rules, i never got aup-y, i speak as an individual. you can debate personal belief/faith with logic if you wish but i see little point, for the reasons stated.
i prefer to discuss religion on points of the individual faith, rather than trying to unpick someones belief as an entire. rather than telling someone that their choice of abstinence is ridiculous i can instead find out why they think that.
i am free to disagree but i see little merit in saying 'why not' when the answer will undubtedly be 'why'.
flavio
Banned
I don't think LL choice in abstinence is ridiculous. But I am trying to figure out some of his reasoning. For example, how it is that having sex frequently makes it less special and why is this not the case after marriage. But attempting to get an explanation for statements like this seems to be pissing him off quite a bit.
I am simply trying to get him to explain his statements and back up his accusations, which seems to be a daunting task at the moment.
Jeslek
Banned
^^^ look, if you can't figure out why doing something many times makes it less special, well, you need to go out there. Why is the first crack so high? Why do you need to keep on using more and more and more? Because the more you use it, the less special it becomes.
Give a dog a bone every now and then and he will be dancing with joy. Give it to him every day and he expects you to give it to him and it isn't something special anymore.
With sex, fuck around as you want, and it becomes nothing special. The definition of special is just that. The more you fuck, the more of an expectation it becomes and less of a really special event. I want to keep it a special event with ONE person. I'm not talking about having sex every day after marriage. sure you can go on and then expect sex every night, but the thing is, it is with one person who is very special to you. I don't go and give my body to every chick on the street, just because I feel it is something I should reserve for a very special moment with one girl. Thank you and drive through.
OPINION. Not fact, my belief, my opinion.
Give a dog a bone every now and then and he will be dancing with joy. Give it to him every day and he expects you to give it to him and it isn't something special anymore.
With sex, fuck around as you want, and it becomes nothing special. The definition of special is just that. The more you fuck, the more of an expectation it becomes and less of a really special event. I want to keep it a special event with ONE person. I'm not talking about having sex every day after marriage. sure you can go on and then expect sex every night, but the thing is, it is with one person who is very special to you. I don't go and give my body to every chick on the street, just because I feel it is something I should reserve for a very special moment with one girl. Thank you and drive through.
OPINION. Not fact, my belief, my opinion.
flavio
Banned
For the record, I have realized that these are your personal opinions not to be confused with federal law, universal truth, or state mottos. I'm with you on that.
Now moving on I am getting increasingly confused by this phenomenon were I ask a question and you answer doesn't seem to relate to what I asked.
You say...
Now what I asked was if frequency makes it less special before you are married why do you think it wouldn't make it less special after marriage. Now if it is the case that frequency makes it less special before and after marriage then frequency loses all relevance to the discussion I believe.
I also still am wondering why in the same post where you say "Flavio: Discontinue breathing", you also accuse me of attacking you. I have asked you several times to back up this accusation, but you ignore me. Why?
WTF! can't you all stop fighting for long enough to atleast ACKNOWLEDGE what he said!
I am very sorry to hear that seclusion. I don't know you very well but I have lost two loved one recently (Dad and Grandfather) and although it's not the same I am willing to talk anytime you feel you need someone to talk to.
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seclusion said:LastLegionary has it right. You have to save it for the right person, or you're gonna regret it. Unfortunately, the person that was right for me died in the WTC fall. :mad2:
I don't think I'll ever find someone else like her.
I am very sorry to hear that seclusion. I don't know you very well but I have lost two loved one recently (Dad and Grandfather) and although it's not the same I am willing to talk anytime you feel you need someone to talk to.
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nalani
Well-Known Member
dang .. so much drama up in here ..
flavio, let me see if I can try to interpret what LL is trying to say ... I see his points (if these points are what he intended) and I can also see where you see "flaws" in his logic.
When LL says "the more you do something, the less special it becomes", I do believe he's saying that if you (and again, this is my interpretation of his opinion) have sex with your partner time and time again and then after being together for 5 years or so, you get married .. what is there to share on your wedding night that hasn't been shared already? Why would the act of making love be special on that night if it's been shared over the last 5 years?
Personally, this isn't something I agree with because, as a person who has some "experience" with the act of sex, there are different "degrees" to the act of sex ... the 100th time with a person may not be the same as the first time .. but neither is the second, third, or 150th ... they're different because they are different degrees and levels ...
There's making love .. there's sex for the hell of it .. there's sex after fighting .. there's "you're here, I'm here ... it's the moment" sex .. there are so many levels and degrees ...
So, now .. in the interest of having some sort of respect for each other and our opinions, rather than "focus" on what we believe is "flawed" in an attempt to perhaps change someone's opinion, can we please accept that everyone is entitled to an opinion and leave it at that?
LL - did I get your point correct? Or did I screw it up immensely?
flavio, let me see if I can try to interpret what LL is trying to say ... I see his points (if these points are what he intended) and I can also see where you see "flaws" in his logic.
When LL says "the more you do something, the less special it becomes", I do believe he's saying that if you (and again, this is my interpretation of his opinion) have sex with your partner time and time again and then after being together for 5 years or so, you get married .. what is there to share on your wedding night that hasn't been shared already? Why would the act of making love be special on that night if it's been shared over the last 5 years?
Personally, this isn't something I agree with because, as a person who has some "experience" with the act of sex, there are different "degrees" to the act of sex ... the 100th time with a person may not be the same as the first time .. but neither is the second, third, or 150th ... they're different because they are different degrees and levels ...
There's making love .. there's sex for the hell of it .. there's sex after fighting .. there's "you're here, I'm here ... it's the moment" sex .. there are so many levels and degrees ...
So, now .. in the interest of having some sort of respect for each other and our opinions, rather than "focus" on what we believe is "flawed" in an attempt to perhaps change someone's opinion, can we please accept that everyone is entitled to an opinion and leave it at that?
LL - did I get your point correct? Or did I screw it up immensely?
Jeslek
Banned
um, I think you got it correct hehe. I'm not all that sure if I quite understand what you are writing, but the basic idea comes across. I, personally, value it too much to use it just for physical pleasure. Its the greatest GREATEST gift you can give your wife. Yourself. And I don't intend to share myself with anyone other than my wife. She deserves nothing better, and I won't steal from what I can give to her so that I can have a night of pleasure. Because, once the night is over, its OVER! A few hours of physical pleasures, and part of you departs. Ah well, probably just my opinion.
nalani
Well-Known Member
LastLegionary said:
a few 'hours' of physical pleasures? Hours?
*raises hand*
can I be your wife????
just kidding ..
I know that you feel very strongly about this .. and I respect how you feel .. it's an act of selflessness to want to give that kind of gift to the woman you will take as your partner for the rest of your time here on earth.
*still can't get over the hours thing*
flavio
Banned
I have no desire to change LL's opinion on sex. In fact after trying to have a reasonable discussion here for awhile I think it may be best for society if he stays celibate.
Someone puts an opinion out in a thread and you discuss it. That's what happens in discussion boards sometimes.
This particular discussion is a little frustrating though because when when someone says "having sex more frequently makes it less special" he means something about giving gifts and not really anything having to do with "frequency".
See "Frequency Makes it Less Special Explained" below:
So what does that have to do with frequency? I have no idea.
Also when someone says "you keep attacking me instead of my opinion" apparently that does not really mean that I attacked anyone. Maybe this has to do with gifts too. Again, I have no idea.
When the replies have little or nothing to do with the text that is being replied to the whole conversation turns into a muddy mess.
