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MrBishop
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Why not find out why?
or are you happy with merely saying that they don't like us and are willing to blow themselves up to kill us merely because we are not Muslims? Perhaps they're jealous of us? We have all the money, right?
Hmmm....maybe it's something else. I mean...why the USA and not...Germany or Sweden? They're not Muslims...why not China or Japan? They're not Muslim either. Why not Russia, Greece, Italy etc etc..?
Why is America the enemy and not all those other 'non-Muslim' countries?
Wouldn't it be fun to wonder what it is that makes America the enemy to be destroyed...and then, removing that...actually be within sight of peace with the Middle-East.
or are you happy with merely saying that they don't like us and are willing to blow themselves up to kill us merely because we are not Muslims? Perhaps they're jealous of us? We have all the money, right?
Hmmm....maybe it's something else. I mean...why the USA and not...Germany or Sweden? They're not Muslims...why not China or Japan? They're not Muslim either. Why not Russia, Greece, Italy etc etc..?
Why is America the enemy and not all those other 'non-Muslim' countries?
Wouldn't it be fun to wonder what it is that makes America the enemy to be destroyed...and then, removing that...actually be within sight of peace with the Middle-East.
Gato_Solo
Out-freaking-standing OTC member
MrBishop said:
Jealousy does come into play, but not to that level. Most people don't, however, blow themselves up. To the extremist viewpoint, you are not like them, so you don't deserve to live. Not much to understand, is there?
MrBishop said:
In case you haven't noticed, Germany, France, and Sweden also have a growing problem with Muslim extremists. Japan and China don't because they don't have many Muslims there, if any. Russia has Chechnya (Muslim), Greece has the Cypriot Muslim problem, not to mention Muslim seperatists in most Southeast Asian countries. Just because they're not on CNN doesn't mean they don't have a problem. Perhaps you should look at the situation between Thailand and Malaysia.
MrBishop said:
It's not Muslims that are the problem. It's Muslim extremists which are the problem. You don't hear too much about those Neo-Nazi's in Idaho much, but that doesn't mean they aren't violent...They just haven't gathered up enough members to make a large extremist statement. Terrorism is not just a Muslim problem. It involves extremists of every religion and every race. Understanding such extermism is giving it credence. It should be eradicated every time it shows it's face...before another Hitler comes to power somewhere.
The Other One
Banned
MrBishop said:
Would that be the same as asking the criminal that breaks into your house, steals your money and rapes your wife, what you did to deserve that brutality?
Under the circumstances you'd be better off to shoot first, and if the criminal is still alive ask 'what the fuck is wrong with you' before you beat him senseless.
What if there's no rational reason why terrorist groups rise up? What if it's just Jihad?
MrBishop
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Gato - that does nothing to sway the ideals of those that would nuke the region ebcaus eof a few extremists. Or those that would invade a country because a few score extremists happen to be hiding there.
Other One- A Jihad is a rational reason...protect the religion. but like I sad..this isn't a Jihad. As for the robber...money is the cause. He doesn't have any and you do. Your wife is a target of opportunity. Work on increasing the number of jobs in your area...people with jobs generally don't robh houses in their spare time...it's risky.
If you kill the robber... his family will want revenge. If they attack your house and burn it to the ground, will it be for the same reasons why the robber went there? Nope... if you didn't know that they were related to the robber that you killed, you'd never know why they burned your place down...you'd get revenge by burning their place down, they'd torch your car, you'd run over their child...etc etc..
Somewhere along there...you jsut hate each other and there's no reason anymore. Just the hate. What I'm asking is to find out why the first incident happened...bring it out into the open and unravel the hatred.
Other One- A Jihad is a rational reason...protect the religion. but like I sad..this isn't a Jihad. As for the robber...money is the cause. He doesn't have any and you do. Your wife is a target of opportunity. Work on increasing the number of jobs in your area...people with jobs generally don't robh houses in their spare time...it's risky.
If you kill the robber... his family will want revenge. If they attack your house and burn it to the ground, will it be for the same reasons why the robber went there? Nope... if you didn't know that they were related to the robber that you killed, you'd never know why they burned your place down...you'd get revenge by burning their place down, they'd torch your car, you'd run over their child...etc etc..
Somewhere along there...you jsut hate each other and there's no reason anymore. Just the hate. What I'm asking is to find out why the first incident happened...bring it out into the open and unravel the hatred.
Winky
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Hey youngin'
How about they don't sponsor terrorism
and purse WMD and other nasty activities
and start acting like real people then we'd love to leave
them the Heck alone in their little flea ridden sandbox.
But that moose-lum thing might just
be at the root of their problem.
How about they don't sponsor terrorism
and purse WMD and other nasty activities
and start acting like real people then we'd love to leave
them the Heck alone in their little flea ridden sandbox.
But that moose-lum thing might just
be at the root of their problem.
Gato_Solo
Out-freaking-standing OTC member
MrBishop said:No...how about...hmmm....keeping our noses out of their religion, remove troops from around their mosques and holy lands? How about not invading them without just cause?
kids and their sarcasm! feh!
Gee...adults and their sarcasm. I actually don't know who's worse.
1. We were out of their sandbox for quite some time.
2. We only recently had troops around their mosques and in their holy lands...which are also Christian and Jewish holy lands, BTW...
3. I'll give you a 50% on that one. Simply because you actually have never been there and done that. All you've done, so far, is sit on the side-lines and bitch. Perhaps if you actually tried playing the game instead of questioning the players, I'd give your comment more creedance.
freako104
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Gonz said:Another fine example of people reading into my posts what only they wish to see. Maybe I ought to call up my Arab friends, just like my black & hispanic friends, and warn them of my not liking them. I am after all the perfect racist. I have no evidentiary problems with certain aspects of our diverse culture,only racial hatreds for those different from my particular melanin content.
Say something intelligent or say nothing at all.
you are the one who has been saying you arent muslim so theyll kill you which keeps this whole fucking thing going.and not all Arabs are Muslim either
MrBishop said:No...how about...hmmm....keeping our noses out of their religion, remove troops from around their mosques and holy lands? How about not invading them without just cause?
kids and their sarcasm! feh!
Who were we saving in Bosnia again? Wasn't that Muslims? How about Kuwait? Muslims again if I'm not incorrect. Seems there are several others but I've had a bad couple of days & am too lazy to look right now.
Why should we remove troops from around their Mosques when that is where they store their weapons?
Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, among others, invited us to their holy lands, we didn't just show up one day with packed bags.
chcr
Too cute for words
catocom said:
The way I see it, catocom, is that regardless of whether we've stuck our noses in their religion (I don't think the government has, BTW). or not, a lot of Muslims believe we have. This is because of various christian missionaries who try to foist their beliefs on people. I think the perception in the middle east is that these missionaries are agents of the U.S. government, or at least are there with the government's approval. I think part of the problem we have with ordinary muslims is this perception (which does have historical precedent). I think our people believe it's a bunch of hooey (me too, BTW) but you still need to understand their perception whether it's correct or not. Just my opinion.
catocom
Well-Known Member
That's one thing I won't comment on too heavily, because
unless I took the poll myself I couldn't be sure what the percentage
is in Iraq as to who is now for, and who is against the whole
situation among actual Iraqis. It seems 'most' of the trouble
is at least being sparked, if not fought by foreigners of Iraq.
I do know for sure that they think totally different about it.
That's one reason I liked to get the take on things over there
for Hanni on jjr's old board, as he was Palestinian, but lived
in Quate. I really learned a lot about the way they view things
in the mideast.
unless I took the poll myself I couldn't be sure what the percentage
is in Iraq as to who is now for, and who is against the whole
situation among actual Iraqis. It seems 'most' of the trouble
is at least being sparked, if not fought by foreigners of Iraq.
I do know for sure that they think totally different about it.
That's one reason I liked to get the take on things over there
for Hanni on jjr's old board, as he was Palestinian, but lived
in Quate. I really learned a lot about the way they view things
in the mideast.
Gato_Solo
Out-freaking-standing OTC member
chcr said:The way I see it, catocom, is that regardless of whether we've stuck our noses in their religion (I don't think the government has, BTW). or not, a lot of Muslims believe we have. This is because of various christian missionaries who try to foist their beliefs on people. I think the perception in the middle east is that these missionaries are agents of the U.S. government, or at least are there with the government's approval. I think part of the problem we have with ordinary muslims is this perception (which does have historical precedent). I think our people believe it's a bunch of hooey (me too, BTW) but you still need to understand their perception whether it's correct or not. Just my opinion.
Tsk, tsk. Let's just blame the entire terrorist problem on a few missionaries. That, in itself, speaks volumes about your skewed perceptions, chcr.
1. Missionaries are not allowed to preach to the masses in any muslim country. The punishment is swift and brutal. Remember the 'missionary' in Afghanistan who was captured by the taliban? She was arrested just for answering questions from some of the population. How can you sit there, and spew that bile knowing that it's patently false?
2. The reason the US is hated has nothing to do with missionaries. It has to do with the governments of those countries. The people are poor, uneducated, and ready to explode, so their governments created a scapegoat...and we're it. Most terrorist organizations flourish there because their governments let them. If you notice...the govenments of the ME don't respond to terrorists until it happens inside their borders and jeapordizes their way of life...and then they just lop off a few heads, and call it a day. As long as the people getting killed aren't their citizens, nothing gets done. They funnel money into groups like Al Quaeda, Hezbollah, and Hamas because it keeps the pressure off of their obviously flawed leadership.