'Don't Kick It'

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
Wall Street Journal editorial
If Terri Schiavo is killed, Republicans will pay a political price.

Friday, March 18, 2005 1:37 p.m. EST

It appears we've reached the pivotal moment in the Terri Schiavo case, and it also appears our politicians, our senators and congressmen, might benefit from some observations.

In America today all big stories have three dimensions: a legal angle, a public-relations angle and a political angle. In the Schiavo case some of our politicians seem not to be fully appreciating the second and third. This is odd.

Here's both a political and a public-relations reality: The Republican Party controls the Senate, the House and the White House. The Republicans are in charge. They have the power. If they can't save this woman's life, they will face a reckoning from a sizable portion of their own base. And they will of course deserve it.

This should concentrate their minds.

So should this: America is watching. As the deadline for removal of Mrs. Schiavo's feeding tube approaches, the story has broken through as never before in the media.





There is a passionate, highly motivated and sincere group of voters and activists who care deeply about whether Terri Schiavo is allowed to live. Their reasoning, ultimately, is this: Be on the side of life. They remind me of what Winston Churchill said once when he became home secretary in charge of England's prisons. He was seated at dinner with a jabbery lady who said that if she were ever given a life sentence she'd rather die than serve it. He reared back. No, he said, always choose life! "Death's the only thing you can't get out of!"
Just so. Life is full of surprise and lightning-like lurches. The person in a coma today wakes up tomorrow and says, "Is that you, mom?" Life is unknowable. Always give it a chance to shake your soul and upend reality.

The supporters of Terri Schiavo's right to continue living have fought for her heroically, through the courts and through the legislatures. They're still fighting. They really mean it. And they have memories.

On the other side of this debate, one would assume there is an equally well organized and passionate group of organizations deeply committed to removing Terri Schiavo's feeding tube. But that's not true. There's just about no one on the other side. Or rather there is one person, a disaffected husband who insists Terri once told him she didn't want to be kept alive by extraordinary measures.

He has fought the battle to kill her with a determination that at this point seems not single-minded or passionate but strange. His former wife's parents and family are eager to care for her and do care for her, every day. He doesn't have to do a thing. His wife is not kept alive by extraordinary measures--she breathes on her own, is not on a respirator. All she needs to continue existing--and to continue being alive so that life can produce whatever miracle it may produce--is a feeding tube.

It doesn't seem a lot.

So politically this is a struggle between many serious people who really mean it and one, just one, strange-o. And the few bearded and depressed-looking academics he's drawn to his side.

It is not at all in the political interests of senators and congressmen to earn the wrath of the pro-Schiavo group and the gratitude of the anti-Schiavo husband, by doing nothing.

So let me write a sentence I never thought I'd write: Politicians, please, think of yourselves! Move to help Terri Schiavo, and no one will be mad at you, and you'll keep a human being alive. Do nothing and you reap bitterness and help someone die.

This isn't hard, is it?





At the heart of the case at this point is a question: Is Terri Schiavo brain-dead? That is, is remedy, healing, physiologically impossible?
No. Oddly enough anyone who sees the film and tape of her can see that her brain tells her lungs to breathe, that she can open her eyes, that she seems to respond at times and to some degree to her family. She can laugh. (I heard it this morning on the news. It's a childlike chuckle.) In the language of computers she appears not to be a broken hard drive but a computer in deep hibernation. She looks like one of those coma cases that wind up in the news because the patient, for no clear reason, snaps to and returns to life and says, "Is it 1983? Is there still McDonald's? Can I have a burger?"

Again, life is mysterious. Medicine is full of happenings and events that leave brilliant doctors scratching their heads.

But in the end, it comes down to this: Why kill her? What is gained? What is good about it? Ronald Reagan used to say, in the early days of the abortion debate, when people would argue that the fetus may not really be a person, he'd say, "Well, if you come across a paper bag in the gutter and it seems something's in it and you don't know if it's alive, you don't kick it, do you?" No, you don't.

So Congress: don't kick it. Let her live. Hard cases make bad law, but let her live. Precedents can begin to cascade, special pleas can become a flood, but let her live. Because she's human, and you're human.





A final note to the Republican leadership in the House and Senate: You have to pull out all the stops. You have to run over your chairmen if they're being obstructionist for this niggling reason and that. Run over their egos, run past their fatigue. You have to win on this. If you don't, you can't imagine how much you're going to lose. And from people who have faith in you.
Bill Frist and Tom DeLay and Jim Sensenbrenner and Denny Hastert and all the rest would be better off risking looking ridiculous and flying down to Florida, standing outside Terri Schiavo's room and physically restraining the poor harassed staff who may be told soon to remove her feeding tube, than standing by in Washington, helpless and tied in legislative knots, and doing nothing.

Issue whatever subpoena, call whatever witnesses, pass whatever emergency bill, but don't let this woman die.
 

samcurry

Screwing with the code...
Staff member
They removed the tube.....
I say let the woman die. She has been going thru this for 15 years. She told her husband she didnt want this, but its her parents who cant let her go. She hasnt showed any signs in the 15 years that she was improving. why make her suffer the humiliation? so her mom and dad can feel better about them selves. Pretty selfish reason if you ask me.
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
She's not shown improvement becaucse she has had zero rehab. At the order of her husband. There are therapists who say she's communicating & with help she'll be talking. She deserves the chance.
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
An attorney for Terri Schiavo said the severely brain-damaged woman cried and yelled out that she wants to live after being told today her life-sustaining feeding tube was about to be removed by court order.

Barbara Weller was in Terri Schiavo's room at the Woodside Hospice in Pinellas Park, Fla., when the encounter took place, according to activist Randall Terry, who spoke with WorldNetDaily from outside the building as demonstrators continued a vigil.

If true, the report apparently refutes the court's finding that Terri Schiavo is in a "persistant vegetative state" and cannot currently express her wishes. Her husband, Michael Schiavo, contends she had indicated she would not want to live in such a condition, but parents Robert and Mary Schindler dispute that and suspect he is responsible for the 1990 incident in which oxygen to her brain was temporarily cut off, causing severe brain damage.


Weller essentially told Terri Schiavo, "You had better say you want to live or they will kill you. Just say you want to live."

Schiavo responded with a drawn out, "IIIIII," then screamed out "waaaaaaaa" so loudly that a police officer stationed outside the room came in.

The officer then ordered Weller removed from the room, according to Terry.

The event was witnessed by Terri Schiavo's sister Suzanne Vitadamo and Suzanne's husband Michael.

"I talked to Suzy and Michael, and they both said it was unbelievable," Terry said. "It was very articulate, for Terri, but they also say this is normal [for her to communicate]."

Terry explained the family says Schiavo often is talkative, though similar to a 10-month-old.

WND
 

samcurry

Screwing with the code...
Staff member
then they better get her to the courthouse to tell the judges she wants to live. or set closed circuit camera up so she and the judge can talk.
 

catocom

Well-Known Member
I'm torn on this one.
I'd have to see her myself, and for a short, but extended period to make a judgment.

I firmly believe in the "right to die", and think Dr. Kevorkian should be acquitted,
but there is a suspicion I have in this case about the husband. :confused:

I have it in a living will, that if I get in a state like that, give me 6mos, and
if I don't show some "substantial" improvement, pull the plug.

If somehow they can't find my will, point um to this thread now. ;)
 

Mare

New Member
catocom said:
I'm torn on this one.
I'd have to see her myself to make a judgment.

Ditto!


I firmly believe in the "right to die", and think Dr. Kevorkian should be acquitted.

Ditto again!
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
There should be a right to die. An irrefutable, written, specific decision...not a spur of the moment movie watching decision.

6-months Cat? My shoulder took a year to stop hurting. Six months is nothing.
 

catocom

Well-Known Member
Gonz said:
There should be a right to die. An irrefutable, written, specific decision...not a spur of the moment movie watching decision.

6-months Cat? My shoulder took a year to stop hurting. Six months is nothing.
if I don't show some "substantial" improvement,
 

Dave

Well-Known Member
An attorney for Terri Schiavo said the severely brain-damaged woman cried and yelled out that she wants to live after being told today her life-sustaining feeding tube was about to be removed by court order.

...and attorneys for nationally recognized clients always tell the truth. :rolleyes:
 

catocom

Well-Known Member
Winky said:
What about the right of the spouse to decide in the absence
of a living will. If her legal spouse wants to pull the plug on a veg,
then it shouldn't be infringed by some slobs in black robes!

If I found myself in similar circumstances I’d want my wife of 25 years
to decide, not some self-righteous fools appointed to a bench somewhere.
Wink, I don't think it's so much the politicians as the lawyer says.
If the mother/father also she that's what she told them, we wouldn't be at this point.

I also don't understand what if at this point, since she's made it these many years,
and if she does have independent though, if she has changed her mind if she did
want to die earlier. :confused:

I'm suspicious of the husband, even though I've heard that he has nothing to
gain from her death. I don't know why though.

I do not go along with the "starvation/dehydration" part in any case though.
They can say it isn't "killing" all day long, but it is IMO.
I think a lethal injection would be way more humane. (only after all the court cases are resolved though)
 

Winky

Well-Known Member
For me the crux of the issue is:
government meddling in a family's business.

The hubby's right to decide shall not be infringed.

Gee ain't it easy to make decisions when you are not
conflicted by what is right and wrong?
There ain't no gray areas in life.

This whole sordid affair has gone on entirely too damn long!

Oh sure after 15 years Terry is going to get hungry now and jump up
hop inna car and drive herself to a drive through and order a triple
whopper with cheese and aren’t we all gonna feel silly?
She’s prolly been fakin’ it all these years anyway.
What a slacker!
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
"The hubby's right to decide shall not be infringed."

Even if the hubby has external motivation? I firmly believe in living wills etc. That's why I have one. There is none in this case AND this woman was not given the therapy she needs. Had any one of these assoreted, generally unreported details happened, this would be an entirely different case.

She's alive & communicating. Has been for some time. Her adulterous husband wants her dead. Again, why not err on the side of life? We need to give her 24 months of therapy...if there is no improvement, then she dies. Starvation & dehydration is cruel & unusual.
 

Winky

Well-Known Member
Gonz said:
Even if the hubby has external motivation?

WTF does that mean?

Rights are not longer valid on the basis of 'what ifs'?



If my spouse wanted to keep me 'alive' in a vegetative state would everyone be all for it?
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
Go to post 5 & follow some links. There is more to this story than the those with a death agenda.
 
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