Fallujah

catocom said:
It sadly looks like you got this right on.
They are saying that theres 50,000+- civilians that didn't evac. :confused:
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They'll evacuate. One way, or another... :(
 
nothing to do with anything, but that is one looooooooong news story :eek:

Bish's link said:
Another issue is the role of Iraqi forces fighting alongside the Americans. A National Public Radio correspondent embedded with the Marines outside Fallujah reported desertions among the Iraqis. One Iraqi battalion shrunk from over 500 men down to 170 over the past two week — with 255 members quitting over the weekend, the correspondent said.
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hmmmm.
 
More gibberish to condem the patriotic Iraqi's, more of the same, the election is over. But the nay-sayers have been hurt, they are not going to take to press anything good.

foxnews said:
While U.S. forces sealed off the area, Iraqi troops moved into the hospital, "capturing four foreigners and killing 38 persons," Allawi said. Two of those captured were Moroccans, he said, adding, "We do not know whether [those killed] are Iraqis or not. They were stationed in the hospital in order to carry out terrorist actions."
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There's also those with heart, those that want to see a free Iraq. Once the weak minded see what the "good-guys" can do, they will fight for their country. They just have seen troo many traumas to pick a side yet. (read: fear)
 
Now RM, we all know that the insurgency is a reaction to our empirical desires & having overthrown the rightful ruler of Iraq & replaced him with a pro-US puppet government so we could get all the oil. Those Iraqi "police" were probably Haliburton emplyee's looking for a way to steal tens or hundreds of millions of dollars from the poor American tax payer instead of the rich American tax payer since Bush gave them all their taxes back & placed the burden of financing this soon to be three plus trillion dollar budget on the minimum wage worker.


:rofl4:
 
dawmn, good for the economy, good for Iraq, all the while collecting islamofacist from all over the ME and killing 'em.
 
clinics taking in war wounded don't tend to be in the middle of warzones. The enemy also has a habit of storing munitions & themselves in these buildings.
 
I could see storming it...but blowing it up?

seems a little beyond the norm to me but if that's "normal" in war, then :shrug:
 
Gonz said:
clinics taking in war wounded don't tend to be in the middle of warzones. The enemy also has a habit of storing munitions & themselves in these buildings.
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The whole city is a warzone and close to where people are getting wounded is a great place for emergency medics to be. Get to them fast and increase your chances of saving life and limb.

Did you skip 13+ years' episodes of M*A*S*H* ?

If that's where they *might* be storing themselves and/or munitions...you go in physically and take it out...you don't bomb it and say "what a shame...all those wounded people are dead...but at least we *might* have killed a few insurgents too"
 
Option A - Let building capable of holding large number of armed insurgents stand;

or

Option B - Blow building capable of holding large number of armed insurgents up so the have one or two corners of rubble to use as cover.
 
Leslie said:
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11330114%255E663,00.html

this is not a flame, but a genuine question. Is this generally considered fair play in war? wiping out clinics treating wounded?
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Geneva Convention
Art. 18. Civilian hospitals organized to give care to the wounded and sick, the infirm and maternity cases, may in no circumstances be the object of attack but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties to the conflict.

States which are Parties to a conflict shall provide all civilian hospitals with certificates showing that they are civilian hospitals and that the buildings which they occupy are not used for any purpose which would deprive these hospitals of protection in accordance with Article 19.

Civilian hospitals shall be marked by means of the emblem provided for in Article 38 of the Geneva Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field of 12 August 1949, but only if so authorized by the State.

The Parties to the conflict shall, in so far as military considerations permit, take the necessary steps to make the distinctive emblems indicating civilian hospitals clearly visible to the enemy land, air and naval forces in order to obviate the possibility of any hostile action.

In view of the dangers to which hospitals may be exposed by being close to military objectives, it is recommended that such hospitals be situated as far as possible from such objectives.

Art. 19. The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit and after such warning has remained unheeded.

The fact that sick or wounded members of the armed forces are nursed in these hospitals, or the presence of small arms and ammunition taken from such combatants which have not yet been handed to the proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the enemy.
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Art. 19. The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit and after such warning has remained unheeded.
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I think the coalition's asses are likely covered by that then.
 
The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

And it looks like there's more than a few of them.

Ahh, martyrdom. Allah and your allotment of virgins await.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...09.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/11/09/ixnewstop.html
By Toby Harnden in Fallujah 9-11-2004


After seven months in Iraq's Sunni triangle, for many American soldiers the opportunity to avenge dead friends by taking a life was a moment of sheer exhilaration.

As they approached their "holding position", from where hours later they would advance into the city, they picked off insurgents on the rooftops and in windows.

"I got myself a real juicy target," shouted Sgt James Anyett, peering through the thermal sight of a Long Range Acquisition System (LRAS) mounted on one of Phantom's Humvees.

"Prepare to copy that 89089226. Direction 202 degrees. Range 950 metres. I got five motherf****** in a building with weapons."


Two minutes tick by. "They're moving deep," shouted Sgt Anyett with disappointment. A dozen loud booms rattle the sky and smoke rose as mortars rained down on the co-ordinates the sergeant had given.

"Yeah," he yelled. "Battle Damage Assessment - nothing. Building's gone. I got my kills, I'm coming down. I just love my job."

Phantom Troop had rolled out of Camp Fallujah, the main US military base, shortly before 4am. All morning they took fire from the Al-Askari district in Fallujah's north-east, their target for the invasion proper.

The insurgents, not understanding the capabilities of the LRAS, crept along rooftops and poked their heads out of windows. Even when they were more than a mile away, the soldiers of Phantom Troop had their eyes on them.

Lt Jack Farley, a US Marines officer, sauntered over to compare notes with the Phantoms. "You guys get to do all the fun stuff," he said. "It's like a video game. We've taken small arms fire here all day. It just sounds like popcorn going off."

A Phantom Abrams tank moved up the road running along the high ground. Its barrel, stencilled with the words "Ali Baba under 3 Thieves" swivelled towards the city and then fired a 120mm round at a house where two men with AK-47s had been pinpointed. "Ain't nobody moving now," shouted a soldier as the dust cleared. "He rocked that guy's world."

On his wrist was a black bracelet bearing the name of a sergeant from Phantom Troop. "This is a buddy of mine that died," he said. "Pretty much everyone in the unit has one."
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We control a hospital in Fallujah. Bring the wounded there.

Was this done?
take the necessary steps to make the distinctive emblems indicating civilian hospitals clearly visible to the enemy land, air and naval forces in order to obviate the possibility of any hostile action.
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Highly unlikely
 
that's a little extreme, Gonz, I wouldn't have expected them to have had time to do that after yous took over the original hospital.

But I'll cede to the they had likely lost any due protection because of some dumbfuck shooting out the windows.
 
1. None of us is there, so all we can do is throw darts at each other until the facts are in.

2. The press has, so far, seemed to miss a fair amount of 'good news' in favor of 'bad news'.

3. For Bish in particular...don't post the Geneva Convention, and only highlight your point. Even I know better than that. ;)
 
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