Fallujah

Here is some good.
US-led troops involved in fighting against insurgents in the Iraqi city of Falluja have found four imprisoned men believed to be Iraqi hostages.



Three of the men were contractors working for the US military, a US marines spokesman said, and the fourth said he was a taxi driver. All of the men had been beaten and starved and were wearing handcuffs.
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Leslie said:
Here is some good.
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I saw that on the news yesterday. :( Why'd they do this to their own people? People who just wanted to make a living? Notice that most of those doing the kidnapping of Iraqis are not Iraqi citizens...
 
Zarqawi Eggs On Fallujah Fighters
— An audiotape purportedly made by Al Qaeda-linked terror suspect Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (search) encouraged his fighters in Fallujah and said victory was near.
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I dunno about you, but .... if I were sitting in a known stronghold, expecting to get a major strike, and having huge oil resources near at hand .... right about now is when I'd be smashing hundreds of barrels of oil in the sewers and getting ready to turn the entire district into a bomb to shame Hiroshima.
 
Gonz said:
Most of them civs? Who says? For that matter, who verified that we actually hit a medical clinic? Claims, in the middle of a battle, need to treated with skepticism, not as gospel.

Remember who the enemy is


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Looks like it was the Herald Sun...probably through an imbedded reporter.

US bombardment has destroyed a clinic in central Fallujah that had been receiving casualties after US and Iraqi forces seized the city's main hospital last night, residents said. Some medical staff and patients had been killed at the clinic, they added.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/co...255E663,00.html

As for them being mostly civs...that's an odds thing. Lets see...an estimated 2500 insurgents vs. an est. 150,000 civs. That's 60/1 odds...for every insurgent in the hospital, that 60 civs would be in the beds next to him. Plus Drs and nurses etc... staff. That's not counting the lesser than expected level of resistance over there. I con't remember which General said it but it was something along the lines that he'd assumed that the majority of insurgents slipped out before the battle was joined.
 
catocom said:
I say piss on the convention. Go for the "Eye for an eye" approach.
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OK...'cept that if you're going for eye-for-an-eye, then the war on Iraq should probably have come to a stop about 2hours after it started. Right about the time when you'd killed about the same number of Iraquis as Iraq had killed Americans.

This ain't eye-for-an-eye, unless you're adding a multiplier. When was the last time that an Iraqui killed an American (pre-war) anyway? or engaged in a terrorist activity?
 
MrBishop said:
OK...'cept that if you're going for eye-for-an-eye, then the war on Iraq should probably have come to a stop about 2hours after it started. Right about the time when you'd killed about the same number of Iraquis as Iraq had killed Americans.

This ain't eye-for-an-eye, unless you're adding a multiplier. When was the last time that an Iraqui killed an American (pre-war) anyway? or engaged in a terrorist activity?
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The eye for an eye comment was really only pertaining to the means.
Not really that I think we should cut off heads, but as the new rule goes...
if you help, harbor, or are a terrorist....(dead-end, by some means).

I'm not sure if any Iraqis were part of the taliban of not????
So I'm not sure exactly when the last attack might have been.
 
I can't help but shrug my shoulders and wonder to what end the justifications for being in Iraq will come to. Prior to the war..there wasn't any talk of them being terrorists. It was WMD..all the time. Then when WMD didn't pan out, it was links to al-quaida, then attrocities in northern Iraq.

The fact is...you're in Iraq. Finish the job, clean up and bring the troops home...with as few of them as possible in body-bags, ya know.
Hopefully...it'll serve as a warning to other countries in that area about the big dog that they call Shaitan and the bite that Iraq and Afghanistan got for stepping on the wrong toes. Maybe, God willing, there'll be some peace in that area for a while. I have my doubts though. The same as I have my doubts that the war in Iraq will come to a stop after the elections, or anytime soon. I doubt that there'll be a day in our lifetime where there are no troops in Iraq..just in case.

This is just the beginning of the 'war on terror'...the beginning of a hard lesson on how hard it'll be to accomplish that task. I'm just afraid that it's not the politicians that'll pay for this lesson, but troops and civilians alike.
 
MrBishop said:
The fact is...you're in Iraq. Finish the job, clean up and bring the troops home...with as few of them as possible in body-bags, ya know.
Hopefully...it'll serve as a warning to other countries in that area about the big dog that they call Shaitan and the bite that Iraq and Afghanistan got for stepping on the wrong toes. Maybe, God willing, there'll be some peace in that area for a while. I have my doubts though. The same as I have my doubts that the war in Iraq will come to a stop after the elections, or anytime soon. I doubt that there'll be a day in our lifetime where there are no troops in Iraq..just in case.

This is just the beginning of the 'war on terror'...the beginning of a hard lesson on how hard it'll be to accomplish that task. I'm just afraid that it's not the politicians that'll pay for this lesson, but troops and civilians alike.
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Oh we'll have to do some more clean up. (I don't see the troops coming home in the foreseeable future)
(At least not for an extended stay.)
I'm sure some of the other countries got the message, (like Lebanon), but
some will never get it...Iran is next! You can count on it.
and...
Yep this is just the beginning on the war on terror, unless the "Majority" of
us give up on it. Quite a few already have as you saw by the election.
Hopefully someone will get elected after GW that will hold the resolve.
I'm afraid if we don't stay strong on the WOT for several years, maybe 10,
in Will come back and bite us ....Hard.
 
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FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) - U.S. military officials said Saturday that American troops had now "occupied" the entire city of Fallujah and there were no more major concentrations of insurgents still fighting after nearly a week of intense urban combat.

A U.S. officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Fallujah was "occupied but not subdued." Artillery and airstrikes also were halted after nightfall to prevent mistaken attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces who had taken up positions throughout the city.

Iraqi officials declared the operation to free Fallujah of militants was "accomplished" but acknowledged the two most wanted figures in the city - Jordanian terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Sheik Abdullah al-Janabi - had escaped.
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Technology works, even in unconventional warfare.

Clinkscales is among the 275 wounded on the US side according to figures given by commanders in Baghdad, although a spokeswoman for the hospital said that up to Monday it had treated 419 injured servicemen, mostly from the Fallujah offensive, and that 46 more were due to arrive later that day.

Thirty eight US soldiers have been killed in the assault.

More than 1,200 rebels have been killed in the battle, the US military said on Monday.
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A salute & a thank you to all of them, as well as all serving armed forces.
 
catocom said:
Oh we'll have to do some more clean up. (I don't see the troops coming home in the foreseeable future)
(At least not for an extended stay.)
I'm sure some of the other countries got the message, (like Lebanon), but
some will never get it...Iran is next! You can count on it.
and...
Yep this is just the beginning on the war on terror, unless the "Majority" of
us give up on it. Quite a few already have as you saw by the election.
Hopefully someone will get elected after GW that will hold the resolve.
I'm afraid if we don't stay strong on the WOT for several years, maybe 10,
in Will come back and bite us ....Hard.
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Dare I say it?

DRAFT!

There...I said it. Not enough troops to go around for an extended tour in the 'war on terrorism'. Not enough recruiting either.
 
MrBishop said:
Dare I say it?

DRAFT!

There...I said it. Not enough troops to go around for an extended tour in the 'war on terrorism'. Not enough recruiting either.
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Sure there is enough.
After the major cleanup of insurgents, which will probably still take a little while,
it won't take that many troops to do the cleanup, and training.
I think shortly we can probably start diverting troops in a "trickle down"
kinda way. ;)
 
catocom said:
Sure there is enough.
After the major cleanup of insurgents, which will probably still take a little while,
it won't take that many troops to do the cleanup, and training.
I think shortly we can probably start diverting troops in a "trickle down"
kinda way. ;)
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You still have to rotate them out of turn...give 'em a break sometimes, right? Before you invade Turkey and Iran and Syria and North Korea and and and...

This war on terrorism is likely to last a few decades...surely it won't be the same troops every time. You'd better get some more troops signed up for that.
 
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